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    My 12 year old grandson is disabled, he is autistic with a variety of problems including ADHD, dyslexia and sensory issues, he has poor spatial awareness and potential consequences of his actions. They live in a council house on an estate and last week he was playing on the trampoline with his 10 year old sister and her friend in their secure but smallish garden while his parents were indoors. They were apparently throwing objects to each other over the mesh of the trampoline when the boy misjudged and threw an object (believed to be a stone) too hard over the mesh and it went over the high hedge and broke the window of a conservatory in a neighbouring privately owned property.

    Although amicable the owners are very quiet private people with very little contact with any neighbours so would be unaware of the child's issues but my grandsons parents are responsible people and promptly apologised offering to raise the money to pay for repairs or to cover the excess on the owners house insurance but they would need to pay in instalments. The neighbour seemed happy with this and said he would get estimates and compare with his insurance access and let my son know costs in due course.

    Confusingly two days later the police called round but my son explained the boys condition and that is was an accident with no intent or malice whatsoever intended by the boy and that they had agreed to pay for the damage. The police said this was very reasonable and left suggesting that both parties pay the insurance access between them asap to get repair done promptly with my son repaying the neighbour in instalments.

    Now the neighbour is saying the insurance access is £500 and he wants full payment straight away. My son is worried sick as they are on low income with no savings or assets or insurance of their own. They are fearful the neighbours insurance company will hound them and will not let them pay in instalments or any delay will prompt legal action and incur more costs. They do not want bad feeling with the neighbour and can understand his attitude especially as many people have little understanding of living with a child with autism.

    There is no question of my son not taking responsibility for the boys actions but in my view although the neighbour was home he did not see who threw the offending object due to high hedges and public footpath running along the back of houses. My family did not witness what happened either as they were indoors and the boys account of any events is always unreliable but they are in no doubt that the boy was responsible. I say this purely because this family are trying to do right thing and lesser people may have tried to deny responsibility.

    Can anyone advise on their options and liability please?
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  • #2
    Re: Child broke neighbours conservatory window

    Does your son have a household contents insurance?
    If so this most likely includes third party liability which should cover this situation.


    The parents aren't actually liable for damage done by their child.
    If the neighbours wanted to be funny about this matter, they will have to act against the child and this presents hurdles to overcome.
    1) the child's condition
    2) proving who threw the stone
    3) if they were to sue the child, does he in fact have any assets to pay any award?

    What the neighbour wants is not necessarily what the neighbour gets.
    They need to be more flexible and appreciate the fact your son is trying to do what is morally right if not legally necessary.

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    • #3
      Re: Child broke neighbours conservatory window

      des8
      Sadly no they do not have house contents insurance, they are on low income with no savings or assets
      Can I ask does it matter they have already verbally accepted their son did it based on probability?

      I had no idea that parents of a child of 12 are not liable for damage caused by their child. Is there an age when they are deemed liable?
      Last edited by marleymouse; 20th July 2017, 20:25:PM.

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      • #4
        Re: Child broke neighbours conservatory window

        Doesn't really matter what they have said>
        They were only trying to be good neighbours and help towards the costs of damage that may have been caused by their son.

        There is no proof about who caused the damage, and even if there was there is no way their son could pay for it (I assume he has no assets or cash in the bank!)
        The parents have no liability in law.
        The neighbours need to get real and realise the offer is as good as it can get.

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        • #5
          Re: Child broke neighbours conservatory window

          I agree with [MENTION=39710]des8[/MENTION] ... as the child is over the age of "criminal responsibility" the parents are not liable! Ergo - ANY claim would have to be tendered against the child involved (not the parents), and the claimants would have to not only PROVE it was the boy in question that caused the damage but also PROVE he is liable due to his issues (no offence intended at all here )

          As your son and his wife have accepted responsibility on behalf of the son and have said that they will pay (albeit in instalments) I can't see what the neighbour/their insurers are going to do xx
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          • #6
            Re: Child broke neighbours conservatory window

            Originally posted by Kati View Post
            I agree with @des8 ... as the child is over the age of "criminal responsibility" the parents are not liable! Ergo - ANY claim would have to be tendered against the child involved (not the parents), and the claimants would have to not only PROVE it was the boy in question that caused the damage but also PROVE he is liable due to his issues (no offence intended at all here )

            As your son and his wife have accepted responsibility on behalf of the son and have said that they will pay (albeit in instalments) I can't see what the neighbour/their insurers are going to do xx
            I have relayed your and des8 comments to my son & we are very grateful for the info.

            The neighbour apparently actually said yesterday that they are refusing to cover cost of the insurance excess themselves and want the money up front and not in instalments. Also their insurance company have now told them they will not accept my son paying the excess of any claim so in the event of a claim being made by them for the window the insurance company plan to pursue my son for the full cost of the repair

            Please can you tell me if the police can charge my grandson with criminal damage if this whole thing escalates?

            It is such a worry xx

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            • #7
              Re: Child broke neighbours conservatory window

              All these people can threaten all they like.
              The person responsible for the damage is the person who threw the stone.
              There is no proof who that was.
              It might be in a civil court that it is accepted on the balance of probabilities that your grandson was the thrower.
              But if that happens the persons who are looking for payment will be unlucky if he has no money.
              They cannot pursue the parents (well not with any hope of winning in court as they are not responsible)

              The police are unlikely to pursue this matter further viewing your grandson's condition and the fact that there has to be absolute certainty that your son caused the damage.

              Has anyone yet obtained a quote for this window? Average cost for a double glazed replacement unit is about £100 per square metre so my mate has just told me!

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              • #8
                Re: Child broke neighbours conservatory window

                It is very unlikely that a sealed unit on a conservatory will cost anything like £500. Thierry best bet is to talk to the neighbours again and get in touch with a double glazing repair company. The localocal one is called the double glazing doctor. Best to avoid the main do companies as most of themy will simply send a commission paid rep with nour interest in the problem but only in making money.

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                • #9
                  Re: Child broke neighbours conservatory window

                  Thanks for everyone's help on this post just thought let you know outcome. Using the information gleaned on here they approached neighbour who seemed to have discovered for themselves they were being a bit optimistic with their figures. My family voluntarily offered their neighbours £100 towards their insurance excess which they accepted without question & all has been amicably resolved.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Child broke neighbours conservatory window

                    so glad it worked out ok [MENTION=42686]marleymouse[/MENTION] xx
                    Debt is like any other trap, easy enough to get into, but hard enough to get out of.

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