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** SORTED ** Historic Debt Claim - Advice Urgently Needed

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  • ** SORTED ** Historic Debt Claim - Advice Urgently Needed

    Hi all,

    I nearly suffered a heart attack about a month ago when I received a letter from the HM Historic Debt Team informing me I owed around £600 for two historic debts, dating back to 2010.

    In one case, I owe around £15 for riding through a red light on my bicycle. This debt I totally accept and will duly repay.

    In the other, it is alleged I owe the remaining sum for travelling on the London Underground without a ticket. I have successfully secured a statutory declaration to have this claim reheard in a court, which is scheduled for the latter half of next week.

    Now, while the latter debt dates back to seven years ago, and my memories of even what I did seven days ago are fairly hazy, I am close to 100% positive I absolutely didn't bunk the tube on that stated day, much less get caught for doing so (obviously). The date in question was a Monday evening, and at that point I was preparing for my Uni finals in Canterbury. It was a rare thing indeed I even went home at the weekend in third year, so it's inconceivable to me that on weekday - when it's likely I'll have been in a lecture (I have requested my timetable from the student records office to confirm) - I would've been in London. Moreover, being almost 7 foot tall, it's rare I ever take the tube for any reason, and the stated journey was between two central London stations about 40 mins walk from one another - today, as then, I would've walked it, even if I was in a hurry. Moreover, I bunked a couple of tubes when I was 16, got caught on the second occasion and fined close to £100. That's not an experience I've ever wished to repeat, which has only added to my dislike of using the tube.

    What's concerning, of course, is proving it wasn't me. As you've probably already deduced, my alleged debt is so high because I missed a county court case on the charge, and was automatically assigned a "not guilty" plea, which increased the fine significantly - and I missed the county court case because the individual caught by revenue inspectors provided an old address of mine, where at that point I hadn't lived for almost three years. All correspondence was sent there.

    I am particularly worried on this point as when I sought the declaration, the Magistrate was particularly unsympathetic, and suggested that as the details provided did apply to me (admittedly not at that point in time), this was effective proof of my own culpability. Obviously, if I plead guilty just to keep the fine down, I'm still looking at a totally unnecessary £200+ burden which hasn't arisen from anything I've done. Conversely, if I plead innocent and the accuracy of the details are used to convict me, I could face additional fines (presumably) for offering incorrect address info. I'm not sure what case TFL would or could offer in their favour - will I be able to see this before pleading?

    Any help on this would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
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    Re: Historic Debt Claim - Advice Urgently Needed

    Hello grebbers. Same thing is happening to me. made the stat dec but a new court date was issued. What was the outcome of yours?

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    • #3
      Re: Historic Debt Claim - Advice Urgently Needed

      Originally posted by edemame View Post
      Hello grebbers. Same thing is happening to me. made the stat dec but a new court date was issued. What was the outcome of yours?
      Hi can you please share what happened to yours. Please share any experience. This will help others.
      Thanks .

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      Originally posted by Grebbers View Post
      Hi all,

      I nearly suffered a heart attack about a month ago when I received a letter from the HM Historic Debt Team informing me I owed around £600 for two historic debts, dating back to 2010.

      In one case, I owe around £15 for riding through a red light on my bicycle. This debt I totally accept and will duly repay.

      In the other, it is alleged I owe the remaining sum for travelling on the London Underground without a ticket. I have successfully secured a statutory declaration to have this claim reheard in a court, which is scheduled for the latter half of next week.

      Now, while the latter debt dates back to seven years ago, and my memories of even what I did seven days ago are fairly hazy, I am close to 100% positive I absolutely didn't bunk the tube on that stated day, much less get caught for doing so (obviously). The date in question was a Monday evening, and at that point I was preparing for my Uni finals in Canterbury. It was a rare thing indeed I even went home at the weekend in third year, so it's inconceivable to me that on weekday - when it's likely I'll have been in a lecture (I have requested my timetable from the student records office to confirm) - I would've been in London. Moreover, being almost 7 foot tall, it's rare I ever take the tube for any reason, and the stated journey was between two central London stations about 40 mins walk from one another - today, as then, I would've walked it, even if I was in a hurry. Moreover, I bunked a couple of tubes when I was 16, got caught on the second occasion and fined close to £100. That's not an experience I've ever wished to repeat, which has only added to my dislike of using the tube.

      What's concerning, of course, is proving it wasn't me. As you've probably already deduced, my alleged debt is so high because I missed a county court case on the charge, and was automatically assigned a "not guilty" plea, which increased the fine significantly - and I missed the county court case because the individual caught by revenue inspectors provided an old address of mine, where at that point I hadn't lived for almost three years. All correspondence was sent there.

      I am particularly worried on this point as when I sought the declaration, the Magistrate was particularly unsympathetic, and suggested that as the details provided did apply to me (admittedly not at that point in time), this was effective proof of my own culpability. Obviously, if I plead guilty just to keep the fine down, I'm still looking at a totally unnecessary £200+ burden which hasn't arisen from anything I've done. Conversely, if I plead innocent and the accuracy of the details are used to convict me, I could face additional fines (presumably) for offering incorrect address info. I'm not sure what case TFL would or could offer in their favour - will I be able to see this before pleading?

      Any help on this would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
      Hi pleaser share your experience. I am in same situation.
      Tans .

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        Re: Historic Debt Claim - Advice Urgently Needed

        Originally posted by Morgan2 View Post
        Hi can you please share what happened to yours. Please share any experience. This will help others.
        Thanks .

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        Hi pleaser share your experience. I am in same situation.
        Tans .
        I had two cases, made two stat dec's, went to Westminster to make them in person (dress smart - it's not just a form - your case will be heard before a jury/other people on trial). A new court date was set for my original cases about a month later in another court. On that day, the original cases were both dropped by the accusers before I even entered the court because it was so long ago. Didn't even have to sign anything. Called up the debt collectors the same day and told them the cases were dropped. Received confirmation from the court a couple of days later. That's it.

        This 'Historic Debt' cash grab is basically another example of overzealous British bureaucracy. They're looking to get people with fines from over 10 years soon. The first judge looked shocked when she heard my cases were from 2009. Stay on it and defend yourself. I doubt I'll log into this again so all the best.

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        • #5
          Re: Historic Debt Claim - Advice Urgently Needed

          The whole historic debt thing is just another cash grab to try and get us out of the mire we are in thanks to 7 years of Tory austerity.

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          • #6
            Hey guys i went to the court last month, as someone used my name, i told them it is not me so first i had to make a statutory declaration then they gave a court date later month, i went to the court which is LevenderHill Magistrate court in London, there was a long list of people who were waiting for the hearing anyway they TFL staff asked me some questions before entering the court i told them it is not me and someone might have used my name they said it is the bank card that was produced in your name , i said anyone can make a pre-paid bank card online without any verification and can give a conviction to anyone easily and then i said some one might have done the same with me, as my case was nearly 8 years old, the TFL lady went inside her office she talked to other staff and came back she said TFL dont want to persue case against me and i can go home,
            God Saved me,

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