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[nemesis45]

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Katy, i was just making a point that there are certain warring countries such as Germany...based on correlations, ie it twice started a world war. It's leaders wanted to enslave the world and be run by the Aarian race. I believe Austria was on Germany's side, as was several other countries.

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My point is that saying the EU stops wars is rhetoric. I could supply all the data you want but the question is do you have time to read it all. No is the answer.

But is all that data flawed I suspect much it probably is given the comment re Austria which quite clear by declaring itself neutral in 1955 show that the country had enough of war.
Next you will be saying the Swiss navy is going to attack the EU!:help:

[wales01man]

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So the debate rages on getting tedious now the subject is war is anyone saying there may be another war in Europe or just arguing on here

[Openlaw15]

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Yes ... Hitler himself was an Austrian. He made a lot of the population believe in the Aryan race and the devastation after the wars was one of the reasons for the founding of the EU (http://europa.eu/about-eu/eu-history/index_en.htm). Our own Winston Churchill was one of the "founding fathers" of the EU - http://europa.eu/about-eu/eu-history...x_en.htm#box_4


I was just pointing out that AUSTRIA was the wrong choice of country for you to use as an example

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[Openlaw15]

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But is all that data flawed I suspect much it probably is given the comment re Austria which quite clear by declaring itself neutral in 1955 show that the country had enough of war.
Next you will be saying the Swiss navy is going to attack the EU!:help:

Would Austria have said it's had enough of war if Germany were running the entire world today, is the question. Probably not. I have nothing against the Austrians, or any one else from any other country including Germany, but my point is that the likes of Germany should humble their selves and stop dictating in the EU project.

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Would Austria have said it's had enough of war if Germany were running the entire world today, is the question. Probably not. I have nothing against the Austrians, or any one else from any other country including Germany, but my point is that the likes of Germany should humble their selves and stop dictating in the EU project.

Eugenics and its ideas came from Europe, before poisoning the British and American elite's minds, interestingly. Just as Euthanasia is practiced in Switzerland.

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So the debate rages on getting tedious now the subject is war is anyone saying there may be another war in Europe or just arguing on here

There is nothing wrong with having an education, it's good to be aware of a taboo history for context anyway.

[Kati]

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Eugenics came about due to Darwin's Origin of the Species, in which Darwin's mentor Thomas Malthus opined 'there's not enough food to go around', creating Eugenic Royal Commissions, The Galton human laboratory amongst many other things.

actually ... the idea of Eugenics has been around since Plato suggested 'selective breeding' as a way to produce a Guardian Class (LINK), and William Goodell (1829-94) suggested castrating/spaying the 'insane' to promote a better gene pool (LINK) (all before Darwin )

[Openlaw15]

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But is all that data flawed I suspect much it probably is given the comment re Austria which quite clear by declaring itself neutral in 1955 show that the country had enough of war.
Next you will be saying the Swiss navy is going to attack the EU!:help:

I don't generally use sources unless it or they can be validated. I don't think it does prove any data I were to post would be flawed just because you make an inference from Austria. This is called non sequitur.

[enaid]

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Well just had a titter, a member of the EU committee says the UK can not cherry pick, well I know that, that's part of the problem lol

[Openlaw15]

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actually ... the idea of Eugenics has been around since Plato suggested 'selective breeding' as a way to produce a Guardian Class, and William Goodell (1829-94) suggested castrating/spaying the 'insane' to promote a better gene pool (all before Darwin )

The spread of Eugenics was post Darwin not pre Darwin. Darwin's book was wrote in 1859 around the time of the first Education Act (1870) in the UK. Are those eugenic ideas just now dispersed. On the contrary, what makes a man evil? "Austrian lawyer, Dr. Arthur Seyss-Inquart, a staunch Nazi supporter, was to become the new Minister of the Interior with full control of the police.

"He was then introduced to Germany's new Foreign Minister, an amoral character named Joachim Ribbentrop who presented him with a two-page document containing Hitler's demands. All Nazis presently jailed in Austria were to be freed. The ban against the Austrian Nazi Party was to be lifted."

If there were evil people in Nazi Germany, there are clearly evil people in the modern West, including the EU. Why was a lawyer evil, why was a foreign minister evil? Stanley Milgram did a test on certain populations to see how far persons would follow the abhorrent commands instructions of a someone in authority. Was it because they're evil or was it because they were fearful of authority, or if the authority said it was ok to do something then that would be justified?

[Openlaw15]

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The spread of Eugenics was post Darwin not pre Darwin. Darwin's book was wrote in 1859 around the time of the first Education Act (1870) in the UK. Are those eugenic ideas just now dispersed. On the contrary, what makes a man evil? "Austrian lawyer, Dr. Arthur Seyss-Inquart, a staunch Nazi supporter, was to become the new Minister of the Interior with full control of the police.

"He was then introduced to Germany's new Foreign Minister, an amoral character named Joachim Ribbentrop who presented him with a two-page document containing Hitler's demands. All Nazis presently jailed in Austria were to be freed. The ban against the Austrian Nazi Party was to be lifted."

If there were evil people in Nazi Germany, there are clearly evil people in the modern West, including the EU. Why was a lawyer evil, why was a foreign minister evil? Stanley Milgram did a test on certain populations to see how far persons would follow the abhorrent commands instructions of a someone in authority. Was it because they're evil or was it because they were fearful of authority, or if the authority said it was ok to do something then that would be justified?

What about banks, do they help society or just control the societies?

"Carrol Quigley - the bankers' plan
"The Power of financial capitalism had [a] far reaching plan, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole.
This system was to be controlled in a feudalistic fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent meetings and conferences.
The apex of the system was to be the Bank for International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the world's central banks, which were themselves private corporations.
Each central bank sought to dominate its government by its ability to control treasury loans, to manipulate foreign exchanges, to influence the level of economic activity in the country, and to influence co-operative politicians by subsequent rewards in the business world."
Carrol Quigley, Tragedy and Hope, 1966 - [Bill Clinton's mentor and Georgetown University professor]"

[Openlaw15]

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your correct there, at least about one part. You should be in politics ( am not serious btw ), did you notice what you did there, you stated some facts, i challenged them, you just said, your correct because i wouldnt understand..... classic, does your understanding of ww11 come from american TV, or spoken family history

If I stated facts then they're by definition true. I can show you source after source after source, so many in fact. No, my knowledge is not anecdotal - i don't generally discuss eugenics with family, or watch American TV. Interestingly, how would I be able to watch sources which are controversial. I would have to watch an awful lot, and to be fair I don't think I have ever saw anything on British TV that discusses Britain's secret eugenic past. If there were one broadcast they are very few and far between. I source my information mainly from my education or other tested sources, or sources which are obvious.

[Amethyst]

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There was a fascinating programme on Radio 4 earlier about ants. Speaking of Darwin.

[Openlaw15]

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There was a fascinating programme on Radio 4 earlier about ants. Speaking of Darwin.

1955 was after the second world war. At the time Austria was an ally of Germany, i believe. Winston Churchill was on the eugenic board at Oxford University. Eugenics came about due to Darwin's Origin of the Species, in which Darwin's mentor Thomas Malthus opined 'there's not enough food to go around', creating Eugenic Royal Commissions, The Galton human laboratory amongst many other things. Eugenics is defined as good genes as euthanasia is defined as good death. Eugenics bred by blood relationship, to 'transfer the good genes.' 'The poor were that way because of their genes, according to Eugenic theory. The idea for eugenics was that many people were born an 'economic albatross' so decided those people would have certain conditions if they were live. This led to 'fittest family competitions' which shocks the modern USA: http://historynewsnetwork.org/article/1796 and in the UK mental asylums etc, lies were told to families for commission received by doctors, nurses etc. Hitler borrowed the ideas from eugenics to create his own experiments using psychopathic scientists: https://www.icrc.org/eng/assets/file...867-grodin.pdf In the USA on a town hall, 'every 2 minutes this orange light flashes someone is born in to a the world a burden on society.' Women were sterilised in the USA: http://www.eugenicsarchive.org/html/.../themes/3.html In the Nazi trial at Nuremburg, the Nazi defence lawyer said, 'the idea came from the British and the Americans:' https://www.loc.gov/rr/frd/Military_...ls_Vol-III.pdf The German judges were signing death warrants.' They could have easily resigned. This is why all the disabled were killed in Germany, as well as other societies, owing to the elite's ideas of eugenics.

I learnt about the eugenics, Darwinism etc in detail when I studied psychology and other subjects at university; I learnt about German judges signing death warrants when I studied public law.

[Openlaw15]

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There was a fascinating programme on Radio 4 earlier about ants. Speaking of Darwin.

This is why am very skeptic of these apparent benign and benevolent projects like the EU. People just like having control but make out they're doing you a favour. They're slowly destroying the member state countries in my view for a long term goal of control, humans could be on a sophisticated geo grid with satellite control. This is why belonging to a project like the EU is not good in the long term. Since 9/11 the USA and Europe since 7/7, went to work on bio tech methods for apparent security. Is it about security or just control? Is destroying Iraq or Afghanistan about security or just to control and integrate their countries into the desired system?

[Amethyst]

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Are you going to be watching the Inside Porton Down programme this evening ? (BBC4 9pm)

(oh and I'm not really much of a conspiracy theorist)

[Crazy council]

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Fascism and nationalism are very different thing.

nem

Agreed sorry, you can have strong nationalism without fascism, but they are close bedfellows

openlaw

Would Austria have said it's had enough of war if Germany were running the entire world today, i

, but my point is that the likes of Germany should humble their selves and stop dictating in the EU project.

Eugenics and its ideas came from Europe, before poisoning the British and American elite's minds, interestingly. Just as Euthanasia is practiced in Switzerland.

I don't generally use sources unless it or they can be validated. I don't think it does prove any data I were to post would be flawed just because you make an inference from Austria. This is called non sequitur.

What about banks, do they help society or just control the societies?

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If I stated facts then they're by definition true.

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