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    Hi I recently terminated my lease with BMW who have came back asking me to pay for excess mileage on a pro rata basis and for two very small scratches. I wrote to them stating that I was VT the agreement in terms of Section 99 of the CCA 1974 and the liability of the debtor on termination is set out in Section 100 of the Act.

    Section 100 (1) specifies the extent of the debtors liability to the creditor in that event namely the amount by which one half of the total price exceeds the aggregate of the sums paid and the sums due in respect of the total price immediately before termination. It also stated on the agreement between us headed "Termination Your Rights" If you have already paid at least £xx,xxx.xx plus any overdue installments and taken reasonable care of the goods you will have not have to pay any more.

    I have since received a further letter from them citing " excess mileage is chargeable under the provision set out in section 99 (2) of the Consumer Credit Act. This section specifically states that the right to Voluntary Terminate does not affect any liability under the agreement which has accrued before the termination. As your mileage was accrued before you ended your agreement, we are able to invoice you for this.

    Also sub section 100(4) advises that "if the debtor has contravened an obligation to take reasonable care of the goods or land, the the amount arrived at under section (1) shall be increased by the sum required to recompense the creditor for that contravention, and sub section (2) shall have effect accordingly. We would consider the the additional mileage above the pro rata allowance to have put the vehicle out of good condition in line with your signed agreement. The additional mileage accrued would affect the overall condition of the vehicle including wear on the engine. I must point out that the agreement was for 8,000 miles and when it was handed back after 3 years and 4 months it had done 51,500. May I also point out however that the vehicle was regularly serviced when the indicator lights came on so I cannot see how the additional miles in excess of the agreement would have had any affect given that the vehicle was serviced in accordance with BMW's recommended guidelines.

    They finish by stating that under their complaints procedure this is their final response and that if I am not satisfied with it I have the right to contact the financial Ombudsman Service but must do within 6 months of the letter. They make no threats of action but state that they hope I understand their position. They make no mention of my rights under the Act or any reference to the agreement that tells me I can VT with nothing else to pay as long as I have paid £xx,xxx.xx.

    Can you please advise as to what I should do next? Do I need to contact the Ombudsman to raise a complaint under the act and should I write back to BMW advising them that I intend to take the matter up with the Financial Ombudsman. I look forward to your response.
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    Re: VT of Lease with BMW

    [MENTION=71570]R0b[/MENTION] did a thread on VT that can be found here - http://www.legalbeagles.info/forums/...ry-Termination (I've tagged him too so he'll pop along to advise ) xx
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    • #3
      Re: VT of Lease with BMW

      Hello,

      You can take your complaint to the ombudsman if you wish, but they are not legally qualified and the outcomes vary from time to time. Before you do that, you may wish to ask BMW the following.

      1. They have said that the excess mileage would have put wear on the engine, but can they supply the evidence to prove that? Driving the mileage more than stipulated in the agreement does not put the car in an unreasonable condition. Fair wear and tear does not make it unreasonable.

      2. Excess mileage does not accrue before the termination because they never claimed excess mileage, they only claimed after the agreement had ended and so it did not accrue prior to termination. Under s.189 the defintion of “total price ” means the total sum payable by the debtor under a hire-purchase agreement or a conditional sale agreement, including any sum payable on the exercise of an option to purchase,
      but excluding any sum payable as a penalty or as compensation or damages for a breach of the agreement

      Excess mileage would amount to a breach of the agreement which they are trying to circumvent by saying that the excess mileage is putting the car in an unreasonable condition. You have had the vehicle serviced regularly and therefore it goes to show that the vehicle has been maintained.

      I would say to BMW, prove it. They are making allegations so ask them for evidence to prove that the vehicle is now below a reasonable standard for a private vehicle. Bear in mind vehicles these days tend to go beyond 100,000 miles before you start seeing any real engine damage so I'm afraid their argument has no basis. You could even argue that you've been doing a lot of motorway driving which means that the engine has a good run for long distances than city driving where it is always stop start. BEcause BMW do not know your driving habits there is no way they can prove this, especially if the vehicle is not brand new.
      If you have a question about the voluntary termination process, please read this guide first, as it should have all the answers you need. Please do not hijack another person's thread as I will not respond to you
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      • #4
        Re: VT of Lease with BMW

        Hi Rob,
        Thanks for that. I haven't written back to them yet re their previous letter but I think I am going to need to do that. They are now hounding me on my mobile phone telling me that I need to pay the excess mileage charge as its in the agreement. They phone at least once a day now and yesterday they said if its not paid then they will put a mark on my credit file which will affect me getting future credit. I told them that the CCA took precedence over contract law but they just laughed and said you will need to pay. Any further advice please? Sorry for not responding sooner but I have been on holiday and I am finding navigating the site difficult at present until I get used to it.

        Thanks Johnny 777

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        • #5
          Re: VT of Lease with BMW

          If they are calling you at least once per day, the next time they call you, take the name of the person you are speaking to and make a note of the time and day. Once you have that then politely inform the person you no longer accept calls from BMW and if they wish to contact you then they are to put it in writing either by email or letter. If they continue to call you on a regular basis then you will issue seek to issue legal proceedings for harassment and/or complain to the FCA.

          Follow the telephone call with a letter or email stating what was discussed on the call and confirm you want any correspondence to be put in writing. So if they continue to call you despite being told that you do not want to speak over the phone, then that should give you enough grounds to bring claim or complain to the FCA.

          As for the threat of the default that is also incorrect, they cannot default you because you have not defaulted on your payments and the agreement is now terminated - so quite clearly their advisers have no idea what they are talking about. You should also point out in your letter that any attempt to mark your credit file will amount to incorrect information being represented and you have the right to take action against BMW for compensation as a result. The only way they can claim that amount back will be through the court system and no other way.

          The excess mileage was no accrued before the end of the termination of the agreement but after once they had verified the mileage. Although a breach of the term your liability is restricted as I said in my previous post so they cannot claim that.
          Again, request from BMW the evidence they are claiming that driving beyond your agreed mileage has put the vehicle in an unreasonable condition. The engine itself will be fair wear and tear and can be backed up by the servicing of the vehicle so therefore any alleged driving that has caused the vehicle to be put in an unreasonable condition is defunct.

          By the way, to access your post easily, when you log in there will be a drop down at the top of the page called "Quick links" if you click on that then subscribed threads you will be able to access quicker and easier.
          If you have a question about the voluntary termination process, please read this guide first, as it should have all the answers you need. Please do not hijack another person's thread as I will not respond to you
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          • #6
            Re: VT of Lease with BMW

            Hi Rob,
            Thanks that's great information. I'll write to them and come back once they respond. Thank you for your help.

            Johnny

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