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Miele & DCBL Customer Service Dispute

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  • Miele & DCBL Customer Service Dispute


    Here are the details of my current dispute with Miele and their debt collector, DCBL.

    Dispute Timeline
    7 Feb: Paid Miele £279 (using Amex) for Fixed Price Repair package
    20 Feb: Miele technician came to repair my fridge/ freezer. Because technician spent 1 hour, I was entitled to a refund of £109.
    20 & 22 Feb: Rang Miele's customer service number. I was informed refund would be processed in a few weeks.
    22 Feb: Concerned refund would take longer than a few weeks I requested credit card chargeback (of £279) which was processed immediately. Amex customer service rep informed me that once I have received £109 credit from Miele, £279 chargeback would then be reversed, after which point Miele would be ‘paid’ for services rendered.

    20 Feb - 4 June: I rang Miele a total of 10 times, spoke to 10 different customer service reps and spent over 3 hrs on the phone/ hold enquiring about my refund but no one seemed to know how to manage my request. Responses ranged from: my request has been noted in the system, my refund would take a few more weeks, someone will call me back.
    6 June: Miele emails outstanding invoice of £170.
    June-July: I corresponded with Miele’s Customer Service Dept requesting a discount on the outstanding invoice (as a gesture of goodwill) to which the response was ‘no’.

    14 Aug: I received a final demand/ notice of default from Miele in the amount of £170.
    30 Sept: I received a debt recovery notice form DCBL on behalf of Miele in the amount of £260 (£90 more than the original amount) stating that ’should you fail to contact us, we will recommend to our client the commencement of legal action against you’.
    10 Nov: Subject Access Request made to Miele.
    11 Nov: Waiting for response from DCBL regarding when I can expect to receive the Letter Before Action

    Issue
    For almost four months I tried to follow the ‘correct’ procedure as explained to me by my credit card provider: contact Miele for my £109 refund after which point Amex would then reverse the £279 chargeback on my credit card and Miele would receive payment for services rendered. When I received the final invoice on 6 June from Miele I was so frustrated by how much time I had spent chasing Miele for my refund that I felt entitled to a discount on the outstanding debt of £170, to which Miele said ’no’. The original amount of £170 I owed Miele has now increased to £260. I am embroiled in this dispute with DCBL, to make a 'point' - the point being, Miele should listen to and treat their customers better.

    Red Herring
    It is true that I received a chargeback of £279 two days after the repair visit, however, had I not requested this chargeback I would have had to wait until 6 June (16 weeks after my initial call to Miele requesting the refund) to receive a satisfactory response from Miele regarding my situation. In hindsight, I wonder whether I should have asked Miele to send me an invoice of £170 rather than request the refund of £109 as a means of rectifying my credit/ debit imbalance situation.

    Relevant Industry Information
    1. Since Miele do not belong to an alternative dispute resolution scheme my only means of ’negotiating’ with them is through a court appointed mediator, should Miele decide to take court action against me.
    2. Based on my www research, Domex (one of Miele’s preferred appliance repair partners), not only responds immediately to a customer’s queries and complaints but also demonstrates acts of goodwill by offering their dissatisfied customers discounts on repair service fees (where warranted).

    Final Words
    Had Miele processed my refund in the time period that they had said they would, I would not be embroiled in this dispute and more importantly, Miele would have had a satisfied customer who would have purchased more Miele products in the future. I am undecided as to whether I should pursue my case in court knowing that the judge may not rule in my favour, which would then mean my original debt would increase exponentially after Miele’s legal fees are taken into account. LegalBeagle, any advice or insights you have in terms of my fight against ‘Goliath’ will be greatly appreciated.
    Thank you.

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  • #2
    Hi
    Welcome to LB
    I am having problems with your post. Kindly correct me if I am wrong
    Miele fixed price repair costs are £289 for laundry appliances and £309 for kitchen appliances
    These cost cover labour, materials, VAT and one years guarantee. The cost is paid in advance of the repair

    I am unable to find any mention of a refund in Miele's T&Cs if the the technician takes less than one hour to carry out the repair
    When the Miele customer service assistant said you were entitled to a refund, was the person correct?

    The fixed price repair cost covers parts. The technician may take a very short time to supply and fix a new expensive part. Very expensive parts such as a washing machine drum and freezer compressor are not covered. The appliance would be beyond economic repair
    Last edited by Pezza54; 11th November 2024, 13:08:PM.

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    • #3
      Dear LegalBeagles,
      Thank you for your prompt response. Pls find attached three documents:

      (i) the email I received on 4 June from Miele which confirms: the £279 chargeback I received from Amex, the partial refund of £109 I was owed by Miele, and the outstanding invoice of £170 I owed Miele.

      (ii) a £25 goodwill voucher (emailed on 2 April) off my NEXT Miele accessories and care collection purchase to compensate me for the protracted length of time it took them to respond to me.

      (iii) comparison of how Miele responds to its customers versus Domex (Miele's preferred appliance repair partner)

      More relevant information: The technician told me on the day of the repair visit that the fridge/ freezer was beyond economic repair. FYI, I have had this fridge/ freezer since 17 June 2015 (9 yrs old). This fridge/ freezer was a actually a replacement, replacing my previous Miele fridge that broke after less than 2 yrs of use.

      I hope this information is helpful. Thank you again for your help.
      Attached Files
      Last edited by JusticeSeekr; 11th November 2024, 14:11:PM.

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      • #4
        Thanks for the additional info
        I am still struggling a bit
        Did Miele offer the £109 discount because the engineer was unable to repair the appliance? Or because it needed a v expensive part and beyond economic repair?
        I would be upset if I was charged £170 for just a call out and left with an appliance that wasn't working

        Interestingly that's what seems to have happened to the 1st Domex customer. The customer was charged a diagnostic fee only to be told the washing machine was beyond economic repair as the drum required replacing. Domex only offered a 50% refund. That would infuriate me. I could have told them the problem was with the drum
        Last edited by Pezza54; 11th November 2024, 14:16:PM.

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        • #5
          The Miele technician deemed my fridge/ freezer economically unviable to repair. I was told it would be more cost effective to buy a new fridge/ freezer than repair the existing one. So in answer to your answer, yes, I paid £170 for the call out and was left with a non-functioning fridge/ freezer.

          At the time, if you bought Miele's Fixed Price Repair (FPR) package the offer included the following: for £279 the consumer would get free parts and labour. Caveat: certain parts were excluded in the FPR package. Therefore, if your technician spent 4 hours fixing your appliance and used a part that cost £140, you as a consumer would have 'saved' money with the FPR. At the time, Miele's standard call out rate was £170 for the first hour and then additional time after the first hour was charged in 6 minute intervals.

          Had it been Miele instead of Domex in the comparison I provided, Miele would not have even offered the 50% discount, based on my experience. It is for this lack of respect and empathy for the consumer that I have decided to bring my issue with Miele to the www. so other consumers know they are not alone when it comes to battling the 'Goliaths' of the corporate world.

          This is a global company whose ownership is entirely family held with 5.43 billion euros in annual sales (2022). I may be taken to court because I wanted a discount on a repair visit that left me with a non-functioning appliance.

          Thank you again for your help LB. Would you please let me know if you have any further thoughts on next course of action given my circumstances.



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          • #6
            The company makes more money out of the consumer when the engineer "finds" the appliance beyond economic repair, than actually fixing the machine
            To dispute the company engineer's diagnosis the consumer would have to pay for another expert engineer's report
            Did Miele offer £279 off the price of a new appliance?

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            • #7
              No, MIele did not offer any discount off the price of a new fridge/ freezer.

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              • #8
                How much is a 5 year old Miele fridge/freezer worth on the open market - a few hundred pounds?
                So their repair cost, now £309, would render the appliance beyond economic repair
                I thought manufacturer's were meant to make parts for appliances more readily available, keeping repair costs down and reducing the dumping of non-working large appliances

                Why would a consumer pay out £309 for a repair?
                Answer: because of the high cost of a new appliance
                Manufacturer's and suppliers are encouraged to put up prices for new appliances, so consumers fork out for expensive repairs
                Last edited by Pezza54; 11th November 2024, 16:29:PM.

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                • #9
                  Based on the information I have provided you, do you think it is worth my time and money to wait for Miele to take me to court and present my case to the mediators? Your advice is greatly appreciated. Thank you

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                  • #10
                    It is very unlikely DCBL will just drop the claim
                    IMO not worth the stress and time of defending a court claim
                    You could try to negotiate a reduced amount, marking correspondence "Without Prejudice"

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                    • #11
                      As a matter of interest did the MIELE engineer say what was wrong with the appliance?

                      I just wonder if locally you have domestic appliance repairers who operate at lower rates than MIELE contractors.
                      Locally, here in West Wales we have engineers who don't charge for call outs ... they only charge if they repair
                      IMO If you can get it repaired at a reasonable price you would have a defence, and possibly a counterclaim

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                      • #12
                        Yes I thought about contacting another appliance repairer.
                        I didn't think OP would still have the appliance, it broke down last February

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                        • #13
                          Thank you Pezza54. I shall try and negotiate a reduced amount.

                          DES8: I did try to use Domex but they weren't able to figure out the problem either. Appreciate the advice.

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