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  • CCA claim help

    HI, i have a potential claim against my lender/creditor. I will reproduce the draft claim in its entirety. Then i have some questions if anyone can help (i'll follow on my questions in the next post):

    PRE ACTION NOTICE OF CONSUMER CREDIT ACT CLAIM




    Dear Sir/Madam,

    I am writing to you to lay out the facts of my claim against you under the Consumer Credit Act:

    My agreement which is regulated under the Consumer Credit Act began on 23rd January 1989. It was an advance of £13,375.69, repayable over 25 years at the Standard Variable rate of interest on a straightforward repayment basis. Account number SPxxxxxxx.




    On the 1st January, 1993 my account was modified. It became an “Arranged Repayment Schedule” . It got a start balance of £13,301.75 repayable over 31 years (or 370 months). It was given a new account number, 09xxxxxxxxxxx.




    It took me another four years until 1997 to find out quite by chance that my mortgage account had longer to run than I expected or knew about. No one had bothered to inform me. S82 of the Consumer Act sets out the requirements for such variations. S82(1) precludes a unilateral variation of agreement by a firm from taking effect unless notice is given to the debtor or hirer in the prescribed manner.




    In doing exactly what the Act prohibits this lends itself to my claim under S140A (1) of the Consumer Act of an Unfair Relationship. To compound matters, when I did find out my agreement had longer to run I was told several times between the period 1997 to 2002 that everything was as it should be and I was mislead and misdirected as to how this had come about as a result of what I had done or had not done. My lack of knowledge of the Consumer Act was preyed on, and I would be paying in effect an extra 10 years mortgage. This dismissal of my concerns has carried on into 2021. And infact nothing has changed since 1993, the agreement is still precluded from taking effect. But I have been paying it to date.




    There are other issues with the account since inception, including monthly repayments inconsistent with the interest rate. An incorrectly functioning arrears balance system, posting of annual interest before the close of business etc. These issues are peripheral and maybe superfluous to my claim against you at present, but if you want more detail over them matters I am happy to provide more detail. The above breaches of the Consumer Act are fatal to the agreement and relationship between us, which is still ongoing.




    A remedy through the Courts could entail a refund of all monies paid, ie. principal and interest. Or a refund of all interest paid, and may include 8% interest flat. With that in mind if you acknowledge the claim I am prepared to listen to any offer to remedy matters. If you do not acknowledge the claim let me know which facts or part(s) of the claim are disputed.




    I would expect a reply within 28 days,

    Yours Faithfully,

    xxxxx xxxxxx xxxxxxxx.


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  • #2
    My questions...............
    Does that seem a concise and coherent claim, does it make sense? Is there any issue you can see with regards to legislation cited ? i.e have i got something wrong in my citation ?

    Your questions...................
    Have i any arrears on the account or have i been in arrears on the account = NO.
    Have i ever had a default on the account = NO.
    Is the account closed or still current = STILL CURRENT.

    Some more background...............
    This issue has been asleep until 2021. I had accepted the fact i must of made a mistake somewhere along the line due to what i was told . I was to find out in 2021 that my lender done this same thing to thousands of people circa 2007 and earlier . The FOS dealt with the issue and infact made a ruling over it and my lender was quoted in the press at the time as saying they have teams on it to sort out everyone affected by this issue. When i discovered this in 2021 i made complaint to my lender. They outright refused my complaint on the basis that i should of complained within 6 years of the event i am complaining about. They referred me to FOS. FOS came to the same conclusion. They said they can only consider a complaint made within 6 years of the thing complained about. On the face of things, that is that with regards to the FOS and my complaint to my lender.

    My appeal to FOS..............................
    If the event i was complaining about happened in 1993, then i did not know or could of not known until i knew about it in 1997. So the time clock should run from then. There is record (in their own SAR bundle) of me asking from 1997 to 2002 just as to how and why my mortgage has increased in term, and asking explicitly for an explanation. The FOS viewed this conversations as "queries" and not "complaints". I've appealed to FOS, but i now know thats like asking............. ah i don't know. I could think of an analogy but i'd probably insult someone. Lets just guess the FOS will say NO.

    Consumer Credit Act...........................
    I was hard hit by all the above , and still am. Someone had laid an extra ten years payments on me and i done nothing wrong. The powers to be that should help me couldn't, my own lender who is meant to be sympathetic and fair.......wasn't. And i read and read and read until i was gossy eyed. And then i seen it in my opening letters for my account................." this is a consumer credit act........" So i've looked into it, and sure enough its a "Consumer Regulated Agreement" as opposed to a Regulated Mortgage Contract. No time limits for me whilst this agreement is still in operation!! And all the provisions and protections of the Act still apply to me . Phew !!

    Practice Directions.....................
    CPR practice directions make it clear: " Where you intend to use the Consumer Credit Act then you need to specify it". Don't take my word for it , check it out yourself................... unless you say it, then no one gonna do it for ya. The law is quite cool, it can detect [if you hurt someone with a knife] whether it was accidental or intentional, it can do that by itself. But if you get ripped off by a lender, then you will need to specify the "Consumer Credit Act", or it won't count. Not a problem i have as i have specifically mentioned "the consumer credit act". Just bizarre!!

    My last question:
    Its probably the most important question for me. I need to value my claim in order to pay a court fee, Rough guess, so far i have paid in excess of £36k, do i get that back as a refund with 8%flat rate =interestif i win or is there another way to work in out?



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    • #3
      what has happened since your posts 9 years ago?
      Lawyer (solicitor) - retired from practice, now supervising solicitor in a university law clinic. I do not advise by private message.

      Litigants in Person should download and read the Judiciary's handbook for litigants in person: https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/..._in_Person.pdf

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      • #4
        Originally posted by atticus View Post
        what has happened since your posts 9 years ago?
        Interesting how they can get away with this SCAM

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        • #5
          Originally posted by atticus View Post
          what has happened since your posts 9 years ago?
          I'm not sure if i understand your question correctly? 9 years ago i was taken to Court by Lloyds TSB over a loan. That was negotiated by way of a Tomlin order. My mortgage i have never had a problem with. If you mean why am i now in this situation ? Simply i was clearing out my old documents and came across my old mortgage letters where i had been querying the increased term that i found had been applied to my mortgage. Before i threw them out i just googled "[lenders name] increasing mortgage terms" thats when i found they done it to lots of other people too. So i've gone into it more.

          Does my claim look clear,consise and coherent ?

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          • #6
            I think you are saying that the present topic has no connection with your last one.

            How would you answer a defence pleading the Limitation Act 1980?
            Last edited by atticus; 29th June 2022, 13:34:PM.
            Lawyer (solicitor) - retired from practice, now supervising solicitor in a university law clinic. I do not advise by private message.

            Litigants in Person should download and read the Judiciary's handbook for litigants in person: https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/..._in_Person.pdf

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            • #7
              Originally posted by atticus View Post

              How would you answer a defence pleading the Limitation Act 1980?
              CCA 1974 , S140A (4) A determination may be made under this section in relation to a relationship notwithstanding that the relationship may have ended.

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              • #8
                Is that sufficient? I am sceptical.
                Lawyer (solicitor) - retired from practice, now supervising solicitor in a university law clinic. I do not advise by private message.

                Litigants in Person should download and read the Judiciary's handbook for litigants in person: https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/..._in_Person.pdf

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                • #9
                  Well you raise a good point. I'll look into it more but i'm certain i read somewhere that the Limitation Act will not apply. I'll have to go find it. But further, with every payment i make i'm extending any limitation period anyway ? My right to recover money could only start to countdown from when i stop paying ?

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                  • #10
                    https://goughsq.co.uk/new-case-on-se...relationships/


                    Does this suffice or do i need more ?

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                    • #11
                      The Judge concluded that the claim for relief was not time-barred. He identified the critical question as „What is the relevant date at which the fairness or otherwise of the relationship has to be determined ?‰. The answer was that, if the relationship between the creditor and the debtor has ended, the determination should be made as at the date when the relationship ended; and if the relationship is still ongoing (as it was in the present case), the determination should be made as at the time of trial. The result is that the debtors cause of action is a continuing one which accrues from day to day until the relevant relationship ends, and it follows that an application under s. 140B can be made at any time during the currency of the relationship arising out of a credit agreement, based on an allegation that the relationship is unfair to the debtor at the time when the application is made, or at any later time (as s. 140A(4) expressly permits) until the expiration of the applicable period of limitation after the relationship has ended.

                      https://www.hendersonchambers.co.uk/...relationships/

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                      • #12
                        You appear to have the answer
                        Lawyer (solicitor) - retired from practice, now supervising solicitor in a university law clinic. I do not advise by private message.

                        Litigants in Person should download and read the Judiciary's handbook for litigants in person: https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/..._in_Person.pdf

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                        • #13
                          I'd just like to update this. I did send this letter to them, no reply so far [to this particular letter] . I've been unable to proceed further until i got more information from them.I have two separate complaints lodged with the FOS.
                          1st Complaint:
                          From 2008 until present date, my annual statements per S77A have not included the original loan amount. I have asked for reimbursment of the interest charged for that period of non compliance.

                          Its now come to my attention that they may not of needed to comply with that requirement since 2016/17. So in effect it could just be 2008 to 2016 interest payments i am able to recoup. Complaint has been in a while with updates, but i expect them.... the FOS, to initially try to time bar it. Its still with them................

                          2nd Complaint:
                          I made a s77(1) request for information in June this year. Not been complied with yet. Short story is despite numerous letters and weekly phone calls i still don't have the information i requested, nor anything close. I've been paid £100 compensation for the trouble and time i've had to wait for the information and still don't have it. I obviously need the information to proceed with my claim against them.

                          Peculiar problem i have is that from what i have ever seen or read people use a s77(1) request as a sort of "prove it" scenario when they are behind with payments etc. In my case i owe them nowt, infact i'm in credit. That fact may be a burden to me, as its not like i can call the police if they don't comply with my request, what can i do ? Nothing.

                          My complaint to FOS over this s77(1) issue just centres around the fact i want and need the information and they have not lived up to their obligations under CONC.......... etc... The complaint has no monetary value attached to it.

                          On one of my weekly phone calls one of their staff read out a letter that was to be sent to me............" Yours is a mortgage, we have different rules for them.The information doesn't need to be sent..etc...." That letter has never actually arrived. Nor has it been mentioned since. They have just tried to comply by sending application forms, insurance policies and daft stuff i don't need.

                          This is a first charge mortgage, which is regulated by the consumer credit act and was made before 2004. Unless i get told otherwise, i'll keep this updated. I'm not about to willingly suck up 10 years extra payments when i've never missed a beat.

                          --------------------

                          Its a pity i never done them complaints the other way round actually. As my initial feeling is that my lender will refund the s77A interest payments and that would close the account leaving my s77(1) null and void. But i'll deal with that when i have to.

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                          • #14
                            Also, not sure if this is ok? Could a moderator move this topic to the Consumer Credit Act forum , i think it may be better placed there ?

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                            • #15
                              My complaint has been running since July. I've now got this :
                              We recently contacted you to let you know we’d received your further complaint. Unfortunately, it’s taking longer than we originally anticipated to investigate your issue(s).

                              We’re sorry for the delay and thank you for your patience.

                              If for any reason we can’t complete our investigation and give you a resolution in the next 4 weeks, we’ll be in touch with you again to let you know.

                              Thank you for your patience.

                              So thats June until now and still no S77 request fulfilled. I've raised the matter with the FCA now too, not sure how far that will get me. I suppose my credit to the account has to run out soon and they're gonna have to ask me for a payment. Should be interesting as i can't know what or when i have to pay unless they give me my account information.

                              Also, i've had to give up ringing them up as no one knows anything and they "have to wait for admin team" to deal with it. I'm literally wasting my time and their staffs time by ringing up.

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