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  • Defamation Of Character?

    If ever evidence of the worldwide governments' plans to split society, is currently working to their agenda, it's here. What you're about to read would not have happened but for the insanity of C19.

    In brief, entered shop, been a customer 20+ years, all positive experiences previously. Looking through a rail of clothes. Moments later voice from behind from staff member (volunteer I assume) "We'd like you to wear a mask." I declined as per my legal right. The irony of that request could not have been any greater, it being made from a member of staff of which there were 4 women all within 1 metre of each other in a cramped room inches from shop floor. Politely attempted to educate them with the official statistics presented by the government on the ONS which clearly suggest statistically the probably of death from Covid 19, or even for that matter finding someone with it, is infinitely low. Not one single death in 56K population of the 3 local towns to me in the entire month of July, government not yet faked Aug and Sept stats hence not available. At least 3 of the 4 women rudely talked over me same time and shut the door to their room in my face. I left the shop at that point, offering the same info to another staff member on way out, met with same attitude.

    Expected potential friction next visit thus sent complaint/clear the air email to HQ following day, stating wanted to resolve with staff amicably as they appear to have been offended by the official information I gave.

    In email response, rather than first thanking me for the 20+ years custom that I stated, and that staff polite all previous visits, best outlet of it's kind in my town, and the fact I was offering amicable response, the area manager chose to ignore any of that and only focus on any negative aspects of the reports he received from staff. However, he made two comments, one that he clearly stated was "his own feedback," both of which are not a statement of the truth. Would readers please give an indication of what they think may have happened based on the following quotes, noting they were several sentences apart in his email. Do the two quotes even appear to be related to the same interaction? Thanks


    "The door was closed due to the staff feeling unsafe with your repeated attempts to move closer to them and engage in debate on the validity of their fears."


    "I would now add my own feedback to your visit. The staff members had no choice but to retreat into the back room as they were frightened by your actions."
    Last edited by RandomUsername; 30th September 2020, 22:56:PM.
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  • #2
    Put a mask on.

    Worldwide death over 1 million and rising and we are in the second wave.

    Forget Freeman of the land.

    Face coverings are instead largely intended to protect others, not the wearer, against the spread of infection because they cover the nose and mouth, which are the main confirmed sources of transmission of virus that causes coronavirus infection (COVID-19).


    In England, you must wear a face covering in the following indoor settings (a list of examples for each is included in the brackets):
    • public transport (aeroplanes, trains, trams and buses)
    • taxis and private hire vehicles (PHVs)
    • transport hubs (airports, rail and tram stations and terminals, maritime ports and terminals, bus and coach stations and terminals)
    • shops and supermarkets (places which offer goods or services for retail sale or hire)
    • shopping centres (malls and indoor markets)
    • auction houses
    • premises providing hospitality (bars, pubs, restaurants, cafes), except when seated at a table to eat or drink (see exemptions)
    • post offices, banks, building societies, high-street solicitors and accountants, credit unions, short-term loan providers, savings clubs and money service businesses
    • estate and lettings agents
    • theatres
    • premises providing personal care and beauty treatments (hair salons, barbers, nail salons, massage centres, tattoo and piercing parlours)
    • premises providing veterinary services
    • visitor attractions and entertainment venues (museums, galleries, cinemas, theatres, concert halls, cultural and heritage sites, aquariums, indoor zoos and visitor farms, bingo halls, amusement arcades, adventure activity centres, indoor sports stadiums, funfairs, theme parks, casinos, skating rinks, bowling alleys, indoor play areas including soft-play areas)
    • libraries and public reading rooms
    • places of worship
    • funeral service providers (funeral homes, crematoria and burial ground chapels)
    • community centres, youth centres and social clubs
    • exhibition halls and conference centres
    • public areas in hotels and hostels

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    • #3
      The above posting does not answer any of the questions I asked thus I see no reason for it having been posted unless it was merely a reminder that no statistical evidence exists in order to justify its content. You should also have included that which follows it, which negates the majority of it.

      When you do not need to wear a face covering
      In settings where face coverings are required in England, there are some circumstances where people may not be able to wear a face covering. Please be mindful and respectful of such circumstances, noting that some people are less able to wear face coverings, and that the reasons for this may not be visible to others.This includes (but is not limited to):
      • children under the age of 11 (Public Health England does not recommend face coverings for children under the age of 3 for health and safety reasons)
      • people who cannot put on, wear or remove a face covering because of a physical or mental illness or impairment, or disability
      • where putting on, wearing or removing a face covering will cause you severe distress
      • if you are speaking to or providing assistance to someone who relies on lip reading, clear sound or facial expressions to communicate
      • to avoid harm or injury, or the risk of harm or injury, to yourself or others ‒ including if it would negatively impact on your ability to exercise or participate in a strenuous activity
      • police officers and other emergency workers, given that this may interfere with their ability to serve the public
      There are also scenarios when you are permitted to remove a face covering:
      • if asked to do so in a bank, building society, or post office for identification
      • if asked to do so by shop staff or relevant employees for identification, for assessing health recommendations (for example by a pharmacist), or for age identification purposes including when buying age restricted products such as alcohol
      • if required in order to receive treatment or services, for example when getting a facial
      • in order to take medication
      • if you are delivering a sermon or prayer in a place or worship
      • if you are the persons getting married in a relevant place
      • if you are aged 11 to 18 attending a faith school and having lessons in a place of worship as part of your core curriculum
      • if you are undertaking exercise or an activity and it would negatively impact your ability to do so
      • if you are an elite sports person, professional dancer or referee acting in the course of your employment
      • when seated to eat or drink in a hospitality premise such as a pub, bar, restaurant or cafe. You must put a face covering back on once you finish eating or drinking
      Exemptions

      Those who have an age, health or disability reason for not wearing a face covering should not be routinely asked to give any written evidence of this, this includes exemption cards. No person needs to seek advice or request a letter from a medical professional about their reason for not wearing a face covering. Some people may feel more comfortable showing something that says they do not have to wear a face covering. This could be in the form of an exemption card, badge or even a home-made sign. This is a personal choice and is not necessary in law.

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      • #4
        ....but I don't see where any defamation of character has occurred

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        • #5
          Hi Des, thanks for the reply. That was why I put a question mark against the title.
          He has made a statement that is complete BS in his second quote which he has emailed to other parties, which undermines my character and suggests something completely different to what actually did happen. I'm not satisfied with it and feel the need to take some sort of action. Any suggestions?
          Same time, please give me your impressions of what you'd have expected to have happened based on the second quote.
          Thanks

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          • #6
            Based solely on the extracts which you have posted, if you were to bring an action under the Defamation Act (which should be the very last option!)
            I think he would use the defence of "honest opinion" (https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga...tion/3/enacted)

            I would not try and anticipate what the outcome would be, other than expensive.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by RandomUsername View Post
              Defamation Of Character?

              The basic bar in defamation is if the statement(s) lowers the individual in the estimation of right thinking people. As the statements were made in an email to you personally (rather than published), who would be the right thinking people to have formed a lower estimation of you?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by EXC View Post


                The basic bar in defamation is if the statement(s) lowers the individual in the estimation of right thinking people. As the statements were made in an email to you personally (rather than published), who would be the right thinking people to have formed a lower estimation of you?
                In post 5 op states " in his second quote which he has emailed to other parties, which undermines my character"

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                • #9
                  Shoulda had a second coffee before I read this thread...

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                  • #10
                    So you had an exemption from wearing a mask?

                    Yes I would have been upset about no mask. Enclosed space and contrary to regulations, potentially spreading the virus by aerosol spray rather than catching it in a mask reducing dispersion. How did you know you didn't have the virus or asymptomatic?

                    Yes foolish action possibly endangering others.

                    With being in the older age group, obese and only 50% of lungs working at the moment I would be annoyed with you as well.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by des8 View Post
                      I would not try and anticipate what the outcome would be, other than expensive.
                      Agree - Defamation cases require filing in High Court with a filing fee in excess of £1000, require strict pre action protocols and most importantly must show actual financial loss.

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                      • #12
                        I don't think it matters whether you believe masks work or not. You wear them to respect those who do. It costs very little and (although not pleasant) is not painful or too onerous. If you do not wish to wear one (ie it is a choice not a medical issue) then don't. Just do not expect to be welcome everywhere or to go about your life as you always have done. The choice is 100% yours. "politely attempted to educate them"...really? You have your views they have theirs. Engaging in a discussion in a shop whilst not wearing a mask as requested was not the most intelligent course of action. There has been no defamation in my opinion...just opposing viewpoints. Don't shop there again - simple. You win - they lose revenue.

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                        • #13
                          Currently it is a requirement to wear a mask in a shop not a personal choice

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by ostell View Post
                            Currently it is a requirement to wear a mask in a shop not a personal choice
                            Read post 3

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by RandomUsername View Post

                              Read post 3
                              And your excuse it ?

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