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Parking Eye County Court Claim Form, how to defend it

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  • Parking Eye County Court Claim Form, how to defend it

    hello

    I am a new user of the forum

    The registered keeper of a vehicle has received a Claim form from the County Court Business Centre
    The claim refers to a Parking Eye parking notice. The amount claimed is £175 (£100 penalty plus charges).
    The registered keeper would like to defend it and is looking for advice

    In summary, the driver parked the car at the parking area for 1hour and 20 minutes. The driver paid in the machine 1£ and kept the receipt. The fees were £0.60 per hour. The machine accepted the payment of £1 (no change), and, therefore, the driver assumed that he could park for one hour and a half, at least. It seems that Parking Eye only accepts full hour payments, and claims that the driver should have paid £1.20. The penalty for the £0.20 underpayment was £100.

    The defense could be articulated around the arguments:
    - As Parking Eye accepted a payment of £1, the driver was led to believe that payments for periods shorter than a full hour were possible
    - The penalty is totally disproportionate to the missing payment, 500 times bigger

    Any help would be very useful. Thanks
    Last edited by J. Garces; 19th March 2019, 18:43:PM.
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  • #2
    Hi & welcome

    Could you please edit your post?
    Golden rule....never ID who was driving/parking....even on an internet forum.
    "The driver parked....the registered keeper received.......etc.

    Parking co's trawl the forums.
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    • #3
      OK can you get pics of the site sign(s) & post them on here?

      Did you receive
      A windscreen notice to driver (NtD)?
      Postal notice to keeper (NtK)?

      Post up what you have, suitably redacted, front & rear.
      Last edited by charitynjw; 31st March 2019, 17:41:PM.
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      This is only my opinion - "Opinions are made to be changed --or how is truth to be got at?" (Byron)

      You and I do not see things as they are. We see things as we are.
      Cohen, Herb


      There is danger when a man throws his tongue into high gear before he
      gets his brain a-going.
      Phelps, C. C.


      "They couldn't hit an elephant at this distance!"
      The last words of John Sedgwick

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      • #4
        The registered keeper received a postal Parking Charge Notice for an amount of £100
        The registered keeper appealed, the appeal was rejected by Parking Eye
        The registered keeper has now received a Claim Form by the County Court Business Centre of Northampton
        I don't have pictures of the site sign, but I will get them and post them asap

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        • #5
          Hi

          Did you do POPLA?
          CAVEAT LECTOR

          This is only my opinion - "Opinions are made to be changed --or how is truth to be got at?" (Byron)

          You and I do not see things as they are. We see things as we are.
          Cohen, Herb


          There is danger when a man throws his tongue into high gear before he
          gets his brain a-going.
          Phelps, C. C.


          "They couldn't hit an elephant at this distance!"
          The last words of John Sedgwick

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          • #6
            Could the OP read post #2 and take the action requested.

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            • #7
              The registered keeper did not appeal to POPLA, he missed the deadline

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              • #8
                Originally posted by J. Garces View Post
                The registered keeper did not appeal to POPLA, he missed the deadline
                So not a very POPLA kind of person, eh!

                Only joking, POPLA isn't mandatory.
                CAVEAT LECTOR

                This is only my opinion - "Opinions are made to be changed --or how is truth to be got at?" (Byron)

                You and I do not see things as they are. We see things as we are.
                Cohen, Herb


                There is danger when a man throws his tongue into high gear before he
                gets his brain a-going.
                Phelps, C. C.


                "They couldn't hit an elephant at this distance!"
                The last words of John Sedgwick

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                • #9
                  The registered keeper submitted his defense case to the County Court Business Centre, based on the arguments explained on this post

                  The registered keeper has now received a letter from Parking Eye proposing to settle for £125, instead of the £175 claimed

                  Is this a standard practice by PE?
                  Should the keeper settle?
                  Can the keeper make a counter-offer to PE?

                  Thanks

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                  • #10
                    Unusual for PE, they must have been upset by your defence.

                    Yes, you can make an offer. Perhaps a drop hands offer. Both sides agree to walk away from the case and not seek costs from each other.

                    And without prejudice save as to costs.
                    Last edited by ostell; 31st March 2019, 19:00:PM.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by J. Garces View Post
                      The registered keeper submitted his defense case to the County Court Business Centre, based on the arguments explained on this post

                      The registered keeper has now received a letter from Parking Eye proposing to settle for £125, instead of the £175 claimed

                      Is this a standard practice by PE?
                      Should the keeper settle?
                      Can the keeper make a counter-offer to PE?

                      Thanks
                      As ostell says, very unusual for PE.
                      Imho, they must be wobbling

                      If it were me I'd (in the nicest way possible) tell them to insert their offer where the sun don't shine.
                      Drop hands, walk away without costs at the very least!

                      In writing, marked 'Without Prejudice'.

                      But it yours to decide........
                      CAVEAT LECTOR

                      This is only my opinion - "Opinions are made to be changed --or how is truth to be got at?" (Byron)

                      You and I do not see things as they are. We see things as we are.
                      Cohen, Herb


                      There is danger when a man throws his tongue into high gear before he
                      gets his brain a-going.
                      Phelps, C. C.


                      "They couldn't hit an elephant at this distance!"
                      The last words of John Sedgwick

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                      • #12
                        If you have them, could you post up pics of the NtK & signage per post #3?

                        & what did you file in your defence?
                        CAVEAT LECTOR

                        This is only my opinion - "Opinions are made to be changed --or how is truth to be got at?" (Byron)

                        You and I do not see things as they are. We see things as we are.
                        Cohen, Herb


                        There is danger when a man throws his tongue into high gear before he
                        gets his brain a-going.
                        Phelps, C. C.


                        "They couldn't hit an elephant at this distance!"
                        The last words of John Sedgwick

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          If you have them, could you post up pics of the NtK & signage per post #3?

                          I attach the signage pics


                          what did you file in your defence?[/QUOTE]

                          My defence was as follows:

                          The parking charges are as follows: £0.70 for up to one hour and £1.20 for two hours
                          The driver paid at the parking machine £1.00. The receipt states only the time of the payment and the amount paid. The parking receipt does not state the parking time credited, nor the time at which the parking permit expired. The car stayed at the parking lot for 1 hour and 23 minutes

                          Defence:

                          Parking Eye accepted the payment of £1. If the parking time is charged by Parking Eye by full hours, ie, £0.70 for up to one hour, and £1.20 for any stay between one and two hours, why does Parking Eye accept a payment of £1 and does not return the change? I was therefore misled by Parking Eye to believe that £1 was an acceptable payment and enough to cover my planned one and a half hours stay, and therefore I was convinced of not having infringed any parking rules by the time I left the parking. Also the parking ticket did not state the expiration of the allowed parking time.

                          Moreover, the £100 penalty claimed by Parking Eye is hugely disproportionate to the alleged underpayment of £0.20. It represents a penalty of 500 times the underpayment. The penalty claimed must always be commensurate to the loss of the claimant.
                          Attached Files

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                          • #14
                            I dom't think your argument is going to fly, I'm afraid

                            As the sign states 'up to', I would take that as 'any part thereof'.

                            But if you're certain about 1hr 20 mins, you are allowed a min of 10 mins 'grace' on entry, & a similar grace period to exit.
                            CAVEAT LECTOR

                            This is only my opinion - "Opinions are made to be changed --or how is truth to be got at?" (Byron)

                            You and I do not see things as they are. We see things as we are.
                            Cohen, Herb


                            There is danger when a man throws his tongue into high gear before he
                            gets his brain a-going.
                            Phelps, C. C.


                            "They couldn't hit an elephant at this distance!"
                            The last words of John Sedgwick

                            Comment


                            • #15

                              The car stayed in the parking 1h 23m, just 3 minutes over the grace period

                              Do you think it is wise to settle at this point ? I have an offer from PE to settle for £125 instead of the cour claim of £175

                              Thank you

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