Hi, thanks for letting me register.
I'm not 100% sure which is the right sub-forum to pop this into so any signposting and/or advice would be much appreciated.
In summary, our predicament is thus:
We approached a developer about buying a new build property. The property was a house but being sold as Leasehold.
We stated that we didn't want to buy a Leasehold property. The sales adviser responded immediately that we could purchase the leasehold for a sum that was calculated using a fixed formula (30 x the annual fee). We baulked at that but were told it was non-negotiable as a fixed multiplier. Based on that we purchased the Freehold. We do not have the method of calculation nor that it was non-negotiable in writing.
We subsequently discovered that other purchasers had been quoted a different formula (12 x the annual fee).
We sent a letter before action for misrepresentation by the sales adviser as we had been clearly told it was a fixed multiplier and we purchased the FH expecting to add a value to the property roughly in the same amount. We requested they refund the difference between what we had paid and what our neighbours had paid as we had been misrepresented regarding the fixed nature of the multiplier..
The developer responded by calling out our version of events. They stated that, once a quote for the Freehold was requested, the sales advisor would contact the regional office to obtain a quote. This quote would be based on open market rates that could be achieved if the Freehold was sold on to investors. They went on to state that we entered into a commercial negotiation at this point and that it was negotiable. They also noted that the price we paid was actually at a 20% discount to the open market rates they could have achieved. When we ask them to explain why they applied a discount to exactly get the price to match the multiple referenced by the sales adviser they did not respond twice.
We responded that they had highlighted the broader element of misrepresentation (variable cost and negotiable) and amended our claim to the cost of the Freehold minus £1 as we could, in theory, have negotiated them down to this nominal amount had we not been misrepresented by the sales adviser. Or we would have been able to make an informed decision as to whether to purchase the FH or not.
The Developer has gone to great lengths to school us on the Leasehold/Freehold issue as well as pointing out we had access to a solicitor and an IFA. We do not believe that is relevant.
In our LBA's we have requested the internal guidance documents that instruct the sales adviser on how to position and sell the FH. They say none exists. We asked for the correspondence between the sales adviser and regional office that generated our "quote". They say none exists. We asked for them to provide all achieved Freehold sale values mapped against dates of completion. They argued GDPR and then confidentiality whilst acknowledging it sat in the public domain. We purchased a sample of Land Registry docs and all show the same fee being paid (e.g. a multiple of 12 x the annual fee with no variance indicating negotiation). All other requests for documentation have been ignored or we are told it doesn't exist.
In our follow up letter we reminded them that they needed to identify which elements of our version of events they disagreed with and explain why they refuted them. The only response to this was to note that any suggestion of misrepresentation was completely rejected. They also advised that, as our positions were apart, that further correspondence would serve no purpose.
We are now going to issue proceedings but, despite my sister being a solicitor, we are novicey. My sister specialises in pension law so this is a bit outside her everyday work.
In particular, I'm not really clear if this would fall under fraudulent or negligent misrepresentation and, indeed, whether we need to decide now which route to take. Or do we just go with misrepresentation and would the court make the decision?
Also, other residents have indicated that they will provide witness statements as to their own experiences in support of ours. When do we indicate that we would be submitting those?
The sum we are claiming (before interest and costs) is just over £10,000.
I'd be really grateful for any advice or signposting on this. I'm sure I'm not the first person to go down this route but I have struggled to find any other examples that I might follow. Which also makes me think that maybe I am missing something blindingly obvious as to why our claim is compromised (over and above the lack of written confirmation).
Sorry that is so long and thank you in advance for any advice.
Best regards,
Mr M
I'm not 100% sure which is the right sub-forum to pop this into so any signposting and/or advice would be much appreciated.
In summary, our predicament is thus:
We approached a developer about buying a new build property. The property was a house but being sold as Leasehold.
We stated that we didn't want to buy a Leasehold property. The sales adviser responded immediately that we could purchase the leasehold for a sum that was calculated using a fixed formula (30 x the annual fee). We baulked at that but were told it was non-negotiable as a fixed multiplier. Based on that we purchased the Freehold. We do not have the method of calculation nor that it was non-negotiable in writing.
We subsequently discovered that other purchasers had been quoted a different formula (12 x the annual fee).
We sent a letter before action for misrepresentation by the sales adviser as we had been clearly told it was a fixed multiplier and we purchased the FH expecting to add a value to the property roughly in the same amount. We requested they refund the difference between what we had paid and what our neighbours had paid as we had been misrepresented regarding the fixed nature of the multiplier..
The developer responded by calling out our version of events. They stated that, once a quote for the Freehold was requested, the sales advisor would contact the regional office to obtain a quote. This quote would be based on open market rates that could be achieved if the Freehold was sold on to investors. They went on to state that we entered into a commercial negotiation at this point and that it was negotiable. They also noted that the price we paid was actually at a 20% discount to the open market rates they could have achieved. When we ask them to explain why they applied a discount to exactly get the price to match the multiple referenced by the sales adviser they did not respond twice.
We responded that they had highlighted the broader element of misrepresentation (variable cost and negotiable) and amended our claim to the cost of the Freehold minus £1 as we could, in theory, have negotiated them down to this nominal amount had we not been misrepresented by the sales adviser. Or we would have been able to make an informed decision as to whether to purchase the FH or not.
The Developer has gone to great lengths to school us on the Leasehold/Freehold issue as well as pointing out we had access to a solicitor and an IFA. We do not believe that is relevant.
In our LBA's we have requested the internal guidance documents that instruct the sales adviser on how to position and sell the FH. They say none exists. We asked for the correspondence between the sales adviser and regional office that generated our "quote". They say none exists. We asked for them to provide all achieved Freehold sale values mapped against dates of completion. They argued GDPR and then confidentiality whilst acknowledging it sat in the public domain. We purchased a sample of Land Registry docs and all show the same fee being paid (e.g. a multiple of 12 x the annual fee with no variance indicating negotiation). All other requests for documentation have been ignored or we are told it doesn't exist.
In our follow up letter we reminded them that they needed to identify which elements of our version of events they disagreed with and explain why they refuted them. The only response to this was to note that any suggestion of misrepresentation was completely rejected. They also advised that, as our positions were apart, that further correspondence would serve no purpose.
We are now going to issue proceedings but, despite my sister being a solicitor, we are novicey. My sister specialises in pension law so this is a bit outside her everyday work.
In particular, I'm not really clear if this would fall under fraudulent or negligent misrepresentation and, indeed, whether we need to decide now which route to take. Or do we just go with misrepresentation and would the court make the decision?
Also, other residents have indicated that they will provide witness statements as to their own experiences in support of ours. When do we indicate that we would be submitting those?
The sum we are claiming (before interest and costs) is just over £10,000.
I'd be really grateful for any advice or signposting on this. I'm sure I'm not the first person to go down this route but I have struggled to find any other examples that I might follow. Which also makes me think that maybe I am missing something blindingly obvious as to why our claim is compromised (over and above the lack of written confirmation).
Sorry that is so long and thank you in advance for any advice.
Best regards,
Mr M
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