Refugee Crisis

[wales01man]

Interesting debate about the crisis caused by the situation in Syria which has now moved to Europe.

Without this turning into an argument about racism or religion what do others feel about the UK taking in people when it is well known all is not perfect in the Country should we not sort our problems first.

[CYNthesys]

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Whilst Im a firm believer in "charity begins at home" I think all countries should show some compassion and help desperate people who are less fortunate than us

[enaid]

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I think the whole situation is going to cause mighty unrest in the UK in the long run.
I would much prefer that the evil root of the matter be addressed, I have read there are 4 million registered as refugees and many more no doubt in the pipeline.
Thousands have and will be killed, from what started as a demonstration against the government initially has turned out to be a very cruel and one sided war.
It can't be right that people are driven from their homelands in the name of religion, politics or as imho because we went to rule the bloody world., ( as I believe ISIS do).
Although horrible for the many affected it will not end until forced to end and I don't know how, but I think taking all the refugees in,whichever country does so is only helping the baddies .
Just to add I also dont believe that all of the refugees are genuine and I personally fear they will become a bigger threat to us than they are already.

[Crazy council]

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Syria is different to the other places, both the goverment and insurgent groups have targeted the general population. There is loads that does not get reported. The people are desperate, last year, i saw a picture of a town, totally flattered by the government, and i mean, totally. 10,000 homeless because 100 insurgents were in the town.

[leclerc]

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I think this is a difficult situation. I've heard that refugees will be housed and given bank account and the numbers that have been suggested by the government is about 20,000 over 5 years which is about 4000 a year. Considering that there is a shortage of housing and there are people on the housing list that need to be housed, just where is the accommodation for these refugees coming from? Furthermore, with austerity measures in place, is the foreign aid budget being set aside also going to cover the cost of benefits, additional children placed in schools that may need an interpreter etc etc.
Furthermore, although we are saying that we will take them until their country becomes more stable, will those coming here already have settled sufficiently not to want to go back? I do understand that we have a duty under the international convention on refugees but we are in times of economic austerity not just here but across Europe. Perhaps now, our government might look at cutting foreign aid and investing within our own country which might help alleviate the austerity measures.....we will see

[FlamingParrot]

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One thing that no-one seems to remember is the fact that refugees were supposed to seek asylum in the first safe country they came across while fleeing persecution. If they come overland and not by plane, it's hard to see how the UK can be the country in question when there are so many along the way, between the troubled Middle East and here, :confused2: we are more like the end of the line. The question has to be why they want to come all the way here and why should this be their destination rather than how bad the situation may be in their own country.

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I think this is a difficult situation. I've heard that refugees will be housed and given bank account and the numbers that have been suggested by the government is about 20,000 over 5 years which is about 4000 a year.

When you consider there are so many homeless people living already in this country and if you are bankrupt no-one wants to let you open a bank account even if you've been here all your life, it hardly seems fair.

[meellis]

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I think we are all trouble in believing what we want from the little and biased information we are given. I understand the argument about they should seek asylum in the first country they arrive in but if that country can only offer vastly overcrowded camps with little food and water and little shelter from the elements then I can understand the need to move on. In the case of Greece they are already bankrupt themselves and we don't want to help them but we do expect them to fund all the immigrants landing on their shores. As for immigrants here then none of the numbers the government release add up anyway. They are trying to force the sick back into work and the jobless yet they never seem to state where all these jobs are and if they are on a living wage. There aren't enough homes apparently but I am sure we have all seen quite a few standing empty. I don't feel there is an easy answer though, I listened to an obviously well educated woman on the radio a few weeks ago and she kept on about how people in the parts of the world she had travelled to believe that our streets are paved with gold and we need to stop them believing that. She didn't seem to be intelligent enough to realise that when you put a person who is desperate to leave somewhere with a person who wants to liberate them from vast sums of money to help them you are not going to convince the desperate people it isn't worth while. Personally I say let them in and if they contribute to society in a good way let them stay and kick out those that don't including all the British people who don't want to contribute totally by either working or paying their dues. Have an amnesty on those that are here already and get them paying their dues as well and if this country still seems like a nice place to stay then we need to start looking at ourselves and asking ourselves why we are struggling when others feel like they have reached El-Dorado.

[leclerc]

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Meellis, under EU law that is the rules which means if they land on Kos then Greece is the country where they should apply, or if they are picked up in the sea of africa and brought to Italy then that is the country that they apply for or if they land on the enclave under Spanish law then that is the country that they should apply for asylum.

Some more general remarks are the UN Convention on Refugee 1951: http://www.unhcr.org/3b66c2aa10.pdf

The following explains EU policy on non eu national seeking asylum: http://fra.europa.eu/sites/default/f...s-2nded_en.pdf

[judgemental24]

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This is an unprecedented humanitarian crisis not seen since the end of WW11

We need to face up to that fact it was America and the UK that has been the catalyst in destabalising the whole of the middle east for no political gain what so ever. Why should the other member states deal with this when they are not directly responsible??

Putting the politics aside seeing that drowned three year old being carried by that policeman is enough to shame us all. We need to stop this constant bickering among ourselves and deal with it. The UN or the EU should have set up solid temporary refugee camps with sanitation food etc to support and process these people in the southern member states.

People need to stop listening to the propaganda and remember, these are living human beings in desperate need of our help

[enaid]

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Stories on FB that the little boy who drowned along with his mum and brother may not have been with their dad at the time. They were supposedly safe in Turkey and have been for 3 years before they set off for a better place. I wonder if this is proven to be true how it will once again change the minds of people on the situation who have already changed their mind about the situation.

[judgemental24]

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As i said

People should stop listening to propaganda and deal with this crisis as it is not going to go away

[enaid]

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As i said

People should stop listening to propaganda and deal with this crisis as it is not going to go away

How do you feel it should be dealt with?

My opinion is to get rid of the root of the problem, but that doesn't seem possible from what's said on the news etc. I really don't think moving millions from one side of the world to the other is the solution either.

[judgemental24]

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This crisis should have been handled by the Arab league of nations is my own opinion, but that is not going to happen, they have already stated it has nothing to do with them. Besides being of the islamic faith it is true, they did not cause these issues but turning their back is not the answer either

[enaid]

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This crisis should have been handled by the Arab league of nations is my own opinion, but that is not going to happen, they have already stated it has nothing to do with them. Besides being of the islamic faith it is true, they did not cause these issues but turning their back is not the answer either

That until the like of ISIS etc start to encroach on their homelands and they will imho if they are allowed to carry on trying to rule the world.

[wales01man]

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The problem is becoming to big for a realistic solution its all kneejerk point scoring reactions from Politicians