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  • Limiting amount claimed

    I've started this new thread as I don't want to hijack :" Can the bank ‘UNCLEAR’ cleared funds?"

    On that thread the poster possibly suffered a loss of £35000, but is only claiming £9000 in a attempt to keep the claim on small claim track and so avoid possibility of excessive costs in event of loss.
    Regardless of the discussions on that thread about the claim, and the probity of the claimant etc, is it actually allowed to limit one's claim to an amount lower than actual loss sustained in order to either reduce court fees &/or avoid possibility of excessive costs in te event of losing in court.

    In the case quoted I brought this point up very early in the discussions, Sharon alluded to it and now it has come to the fore again.

    I'm presently helping an acquaintance making a claim. His actual losses total just in excess of £3000. The difference in fees from one side of £3000 to the other is is £390 and he has decided the extra is not worth risking for £50.

    The cause of action is "a loss". The amount of loss is of no consequence until he trial is over, and so long as the amount claimed does not exceed the actual loss does it matter?
    Re EXC's query regarding making subsequent claims for the balance of actual losses, surely that would not be possible as there had already been a decision over the cause of action ie the "loss", and that could not be reopened?

    It seems EXC is suggesting a judge quantifies losses at the beginning of a trial, but surely the trial takes place and losses are quantified afterwards (assuming claimant wins)

    Honest, not starting argument but looking for discussion
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    Re: Limiting amount claimed

    Originally posted by des8 View Post
    It seems EXC is suggesting a judge quantifies losses at the beginning of a trial, but surely the trial takes place and losses are quantified afterwards (assuming claimant wins)
    Sorry if I gave you that impression, what I meant to say was that it would be for the judge to quantify what the loss was, regardless of of what the claimant alleges it was as stated in the claim.

    It's an interesting scenario though ie the claim is just under the small claims limit but what if the judge quantified the loss at £35k? Does the £10k limit just apply to the claim amount and not the award?

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    • #3
      Re: Limiting amount claimed

      Originally posted by EXC View Post
      Sorry if I gave you that impression, what I meant to say was that it would be for the judge to quantify what the loss was, regardless of of what the claimant alleges it was as stated in the claim.

      It's an interesting scenario though ie the claim is just under the small claims limit but what if the judge quantified the loss at £35k? Does the £10k limit just apply to the claim amount and not the award?
      As the claim would be allocated right after a defence is submitted, based on the value of the claim (although other factors may be taken into account), it would go to small claims. Any award would be made at or after the trial, not before, so the case would be tried in small claims, wouldn't it?

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      • #4
        Re: Limiting amount claimed

        With reference to the claim under discussion the OP is hoping that by keeping the claim to below £10000 it will be allocated to small claims track.
        I would be concerned that due to its complexity (due to IMO a poor POC and defendants solicitors obfuscating ) it might be allocated to fast track.

        Just now, whilst looking around, I came across this, which supports EXC's view
        CPR 27.3 The court may grant any final remedy in relation to a small claim which it could grant if the proceedings were on the fast track or the multi-track.

        So it seems that even if dealt with in small claims, if Nicola wins she could be awarded her £35000. (I'm not going to tell her!)

        It also seems to answer my original query that one can claim less than one's actual loss, but that at the end of the trial the judge can award a higher amount.

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        • #5
          Re: Limiting amount claimed

          Originally posted by des8 View Post
          With reference to the claim under discussion the OP is hoping that by keeping the claim to below £10000 it will be allocated to small claims track.
          I would be concerned that due to its complexity (due to IMO a poor POC and defendants solicitors obfuscating ) it might be allocated to fast track.
          Yes, there is the possibility of a claim below £10k being allocated to fast track due to their complexity, in particular if the hearing is likely to last more than one day or if expert evidence is required.

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          • #6
            Re: Limiting amount claimed

            ah, you underestimate my research......

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            • #7
              Re: Limiting amount claimed

              Indeed - in our recent Passport case for damages we claimed £300 in damages and were awarded £1500.

              However that was damages/compensation as opposed to a specific claim for money - Nicola's claim is very specifically for £9000 that was the balance on the account before the cheque malarky started - to award £35k would be a different claim. £35k is a claim that she should retain the money from the unpaid cheque - £9k is that the bank had no right to remove the £9k funds from her account as it wasn't connected to the cheque ( misconstrued IMO ) - actually the claim should be that the cheque money shouldn't have been taken from her account without consent leaving her in an overdrawn situation which attracted costs, hassle, interest etc ( and for that refund of fees/interest and damages/compensation - The quantum has to be from the same cause of action.

              If the claim is considered complex then yes it can be moved to fast/multi track regardless of the value. The court can reallocate track at any stage.

              In small claims costs can be awarded if the court considers it reasonable to do so.
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              • #8
                Re: Limiting amount claimed

                hi, sorry wasn't intending my case to intrude, found this by accident looking for CPR info and it made me smile (poor POC! indeed tut tut), will butt out, Nicola xx

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                • #9
                  Re: Limiting amount claimed

                  lol, it's your case Mrs, this thread is only so people can discuss that one specific issue without going off topic on your primary thread.
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                  • #10
                    Re: Limiting amount claimed

                    Originally posted by Nicola Bell View Post
                    hi, sorry wasn't intending my case to intrude, found this by accident looking for CPR info and it made me smile (poor POC! indeed tut tut), will butt out, Nicola xx
                    Always nearly honest, but always supportive. There was no point commenting on POC on main thread as it had already been submitted.:tinysmile_twink_t2:

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                    • #11
                      Re: Limiting amount claimed

                      ha ha, yes and I understand completely, good idea no complaints with the truth from me! I was aware POC was far too long (but otherwise brilliant! :tinysmile_twink_t2. This made me laugh when I saw it, esp the content of course - an extra warm glow there.

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