Atos medical

[wales01man]

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There are a lot more tha IDS who diss the disabled,others on this site who are disabled or have disabled parners know that to be true.I have seen how bloody ignorant people ar towards others walking with sticks and even in a wheelchair.We feel that some think that others are on sticks or in a wheelchair for no reason at all,my wife would like to spend a day painfree walk a mile and sleep all night without a concoction of drugs that only ease not cure the problem. The problem is society is groomed for perfection and ignorance of the problems of others is the norm unfortunately the press and all the other media highlight the benefit cheats not those genuinely disabled so the general view is that everone is liar cheat and scrounger,until a way is found to sort this out ATOS is not the answer we will not change peoples attitudes

[charitynjw]

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Silly sods Atos don't even abide by the Equality Act (see post #9)

[bluebottle]

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There are a lot more tha IDS who diss the disabled,others on this site who are disabled or have disabled parners know that to be true.I have seen how bloody ignorant people ar towards others walking with sticks and even in a wheelchair.We feel that some think that others are on sticks or in a wheelchair for no reason at all,my wife would like to spend a day painfree walk a mile and sleep all night without a concoction of drugs that only ease not cure the problem. The problem is society is groomed for perfection and ignorance of the problems of others is the norm unfortunately the press and all the other media highlight the benefit cheats not those genuinely disabled so the general view is that everone is liar cheat and scrounger,until a way is found to sort this out ATOS is not the answer we will not change peoples attitudes

That rings bell with me, Wales. Before my mother became so frail, people would walk into her, despite it being blindingly obvious she had a walking stick or, later on, was in a wheelchair. Now I, myself, am disabled, I find some idiots who think it is clever to play IDS's game and end up looking complete fools when others turn on them and either call them "stupid", "ignorant" or, as one guy did one day, threatened to put some prat flat on his arse who thought it would be clever to publicly-proclaim I was "putting it on". Apart from making himself look a complete and total a***hole, the only thing he succeeded in doing was getting himself banned from the supermarket he kicked-off in. I found out, later, that the person who had threatened to deck the idiot had a disabled relative and saw red.

As for liars, cheats and scroungers, I think we only need look at those attempt to hide their money in tax havens and expect others to pay for the public services we rely on, like hospitals, fire, police and ambulance services, or employers who pay low wages and expect the taxpayers to subsidise them through the benefits system, e.g. Working Tax Credit, which means the taxpayer takes a hit and honest employers, who pay a living wage, are put at a disadvantage, commercially, by their scrounging competitors who gain an unfair advantage and undercut them through illegal taxpayer subsidy.

[wales01man]

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Im not the disabled one but as its my wife I can see whats going on I feel like smacking some of those who act towards her and don't give a stuff one thing that happens often is in shops when she is going towards the till pushing a trolley and using her stick for extra support some rush to get in front I just grab one item and push in front of them so she can put stuff on the looks we get so far I haven't told any one to you know what but it will happen,she like most disabled don't want to be that way

[Inca]

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My son goes absolutely ape if anyone does anything remotely wrong towards me,,he is so so over protective. If I'm able to walk with my little trolley I tend to get bumped into a lot,,I become invisible.
I didn't have any problems with the ATOS saga,,I just got put on the 'scrap heap' pile lol,,I won't be assessed ever again (supposedly)..as my disability can only get worse now x

[bluebottle]

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My son goes absolutely ape if anyone does anything remotely wrong towards me,,he is so so over protective. If I'm able to walk with my little trolley I tend to get bumped into a lot,,I become invisible.
I didn't have any problems with the ATOS saga,,I just got put on the 'scrap heap' pile lol,,I won't be assessed ever again (supposedly)..as my disability can only get worse now x

There's not a lot ATOS really can do in cases like your's, Inca. When I was working with what is now the Muscular Dystrophy Campaign, it was not uncommon for their selected medical professionals to claim there was no such thing as Duchenne Muscular Dystrophy. However, once factsheets and the names of consultant neurologists, biochemists and others who were experts and leading authorities on MD and allied neuromuscular conditions were listed as potential witnesses at appeal hearings, the, then DHSS would suddenly cancel hearings and claim they had made an error. Yeah.

[enquirer]

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Covertly record the entire medical. Then, when the lie-filled report appears, you have them.

Incidentally, the 'healthcare professional' frequently isn't a doctor or suitably qualified nurse. Atos assessors are merely 'trained in disability assessment'.

Fact: There is only one training course of this nature in the UK. It is run and validated by Atos itself.

[enaid]

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Arseholes That Overlook Sickness

[bluebottle]

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Covertly record the entire medical. Then, when the lie-filled report appears, you have them.

Incidentally, the 'healthcare professional' frequently isn't a doctor or suitably qualified nurse. Atos assessors are merely 'trained in disability assessment'.

Fact: There is only one training course of this nature in the UK. It is run and validated by Atos itself.

There is an accredited and recognised disability assessment qualification issued by one of the Royal Colleges, either General Practitioners or Physicians. If someone said they were qualified, I would certainly press them to disclose who issued the qualification. If it isn't RCP or RCGP, I would view it with caution, if not, scepticism.

[des8]

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[QUOTE=enquirer;356448]Covertly record the entire medical. Then, when the lie-filled report appears, you have them.

No need to record covertly.
You have the RIGHT to have the interview recorded on a dual machine, so both parties have a record. It is best to formally request this a week or so in advance. If they cannot record the session THEY HAVE TO CANCEL IT. If when you arrive for the examination they do not have the recording equipment, they may well try and have you continue without it. They may even suggest you are refusing to co operate and try and make it your fault, which will count against you. You must repeatedly inform them that they are the faulty party, and the onus is upon them. Even better is to get them to agree in writing that they were unable to comply with the conditions.
If you covertly record and the examiner notices they might well stop the session, and it will be counted against you. Also covert recordings only have limited uses, and I understand may not be accepted at appeals etc.
IMO best to get them to do an official recording (whilst you covertly record the bits when their machinery isn't switched on...eg when you first arrive, and as you leave) These people aren't your friends, no matter how nice they are initially to lull you into a false sense of security.

[charitynjw]

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[QUOTE=des8;356699]

Covertly record the entire medical. Then, when the lie-filled report appears, you have them.

No need to record covertly.
You have the RIGHT to have the interview recorded on a dual machine, so both parties have a record. It is best to formally request this a week or so in advance. If they cannot record the session THEY HAVE TO CANCEL IT. If when you arrive for the examination they do not have the recording equipment, they may well try and have you continue without it. They may even suggest you are refusing to co operate and try and make it your fault, which will count against you. You must repeatedly inform them that they are the faulty party, and the onus is upon them. Even better is to get them to agree in writing that they were unable to comply with the conditions.
If you covertly record and the examiner notices they might well stop the session, and it will be counted against you. Also covert recordings only have limited uses, and I understand may not be accepted at appeals etc.
IMO best to get them to do an official recording (whilst you covertly record the bits when their machinery isn't switched on...eg when you first arrive, and as you leave) These people aren't your friends, no matter how nice they are initially to lull you into a false sense of security.

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I have heard that they only have about 3 of these machines in the entire country.
& 2 of them are permanently in for repair!
(OK, an exaggeration, maybe, but I bet it's not far off the truth.)
Allegedly, if you 'phone in advance & request a recording, they cancel the appointment!
It would be interesting to see if anyone on the forum could validate this.

[john 1963]

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hope it goes ok for you, I was dreading going for the ATOS medical. I was quite lucky really because I had 3 independent reports off consultants as I was suing my employers for damages. All I did was fill out the questionnaire, send them copies of the reports and along with my GP saying I was not fit to travel I never had to go. My DLA was actually increased to higher level from middle. I do believe the reports were the key factor as ATOS would have had to go against these consultants views and one of them was a Professor who looks after Prince Charles's staff at Highgrove.

[des8]

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[QUOT
It would be interesting to see if anyone on the forum could validate this.[/QUOTE]

Validated!:tinysmile_grin_t: My son had his appointment cancelled a couple of months ago by ATOS when he requested it be recorded. Haven't heard from them since

[enquirer]

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You have the RIGHT to have the interview recorded on a dual machine, so both parties have a record.

A right? Do you have a document?

If they cannot record the session THEY HAVE TO CANCEL IT.

They have no choice other than to cancel it? Do you have a document?

If when you arrive for the examination they do not have the recording equipment, they may well try and have you continue without it.

True.

They may even suggest you are refusing to co operate and try and make it your fault, which will count against you

Very likely, but How? Where? By whom? By what legal authority?

You must repeatedly inform them that they are the faulty party, and the onus is upon them. Even better is to get them to agree in writing that they were unable to comply with the conditions.

Unlikely - they aren't that stupid.

If you covertly record and the examiner notices they might well stop the session, and it will be counted against you.

Again, How? Where? By whom? By what legal authority?

Also covert recordings only have limited uses, and I understand may not be accepted at appeals etc.

There is nothing quite as devastating as a covert recording, particularly when associated with an allegation of corruption.

MO best to get them to do an official recording (whilst you covertly record the bits when their machinery isn't switched on...eg when you first arrive, and as you leave)

Atos goes to extraordinary lengths to avoid any form of recording.

[des8]

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Hi Enquirer,
Lots of questions.... LOL?

Basically Chris Grayling said in Parliament "On audio recording, we will offer everyone who wants it the opportunity to have their session recorded"
http://www.publications.parliament.u...12020157000270

and later

“As part of this process we are also reviewing Atos capacity to provide recordings for those claimants who currently request one. Additional machines have been ordered. However a large scale purchase of machines in the absence of an evaluation of the process is not effective use of public money. Although there have been increases in requests these still represent only a small percentage of overall work capability assessments.
“In the meantime, while Atos will do all that they can to accommodate requests for audio recording there may be times when the service cannot be offered, for example where it has not be possible to get access to recording equipment on the date/time of the WCA. In these circumstances clients will be told in advance that their request cannot be accommodated and offered a later date.”(Hansard citation: HC Deb, 17 July 2012, c783W)

If the minister says that in Parliament I assume IN PRACTICE it is a right.

The other advice I gave comes from my own experiences with ATOS, and from others I know personally who have been through the ATOS mill.

"Unlikely - they aren't that stupid." Really, and on what do you base that opinion?:tung: It's not my experience of them.

"Very likely, but How? Where? By whom? By what legal authority?" They will claim you are not co operating and are refusing your assessment.
I think it's three refusals and your out! (I can't be bothered to check the exact position at the moment as I'm tired after changing a car engine today)

And all this started because i asked Wales01man how his wife's assessment with ATOS went!!!!!!!!!!!!!!