Morally wrong to eat horses!!!

[Hurricane Puffrose]

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yeh fully agreed!!

[leclerc]

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21482439

Similar to its namesake...the FSA (so called "Police Force") is a waste of space...

I completely agree with you because had it not been for the IRISH Food Standards Agency then we would have known nothing about this at all....

[Angry Cat]

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I completely agree with you because had it not been for the IRISH Food Standards Agency then we would have known nothing about this at all....

Yes, but...

http://dublinopinion.com/2013/01/16/...op-this-trade/

[Angry Cat]

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To be honest I am more concerned about the waste that there is now going to be, all that perfectly edible food going into land fill, seems a shame when there is so much hunger.

Disagree!!!

Just to clarify, there is a massive obesity problem in this country. Probably caused by over refined processed food...diabetes comes to mind, also.

It is far to cheaper and healthier to batch cook. Plus you know where (or should do) the ingredients come from!

[leclerc]

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Yes, but...

http://dublinopinion.com/2013/01/16/...op-this-trade/

That's a slightly off tangent story to be honest with you. My comment was based on the fact that the first we knew that Horsemeat was in fact disguised in Beef was as a result of the Irish Food Standards Agency testing. Your story is about the transport of drugs and money and how it was concealed in a shipment of horses bound for the abattoir. From us appearing to be on the same page the story above is actually nothing to do with the actual Horsemeat issue but about concealment of drugs which is not particularly new to be honest.

Here are the original questions and answers from the Irish FSA: http://www.fsai.ie/faqs/horse_pork_d..._products.html

So that we can move the topic back onto the topic at hand which is not about the manners of concealing drugs and money. There may eventually be fraud but that will interrelated to the issue of packaging Beef but containing Horse.

[lexis200]

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Disagree!!!

Just to clarify, there is a massive obesity problem in this country. Probably caused by over refined processed food...diabetes comes to mind, also.

It is far to cheaper and healthier to batch cook. Plus you know where (or should do) the ingredients come from!

Just to clarify further, there's also a massive problem with kids living below the poverty line. They're not all sitting there with full bellies and a can of coke in their hands!

No-one is saying it's not healthier to home cook, but if someone wants to buy a beef burger they should be able to without any concerns. Cheaper though? I'm not so sure. I can't make a lasagne for my family for the cost of a value one at the shops. I personally wouldn't ever buy it anyway, but if I was to I would just want to know it's what it says it is. If it was labelled 'horse meat lasagne' I'd have a choice whether to buy that or the beef.

[gravytrain]

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I can only say that my daughter works part time at the local charity shop where they supply food to people who cannot afford to pay rent and eat. So yes there are people going hungry in this country, and a lot more than you would think, this just seems so wasteful.
Sorry back on topic.

[MissFM]

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Actually Leclerc the topic is "Is it morally wrong to eat horses?" - even though to say that, for oneself, it is = apparently, anathema.

[leclerc]

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Actually Leclerc the topic is "Is it morally wrong to eat horses?" - even though to say that, for oneself, it is = apparently, anathema.

And I think I have already answered that issue way back on page 1 or 2 of the thread but as it has evolved it is around this issue of horsemeat/beef and the crux of that argument was put extremely well by Eloise within the first 2 pages of the thread.

My opinion is No it is definitely not wrong to eat Horsemeat and yes I have eaten horsemeat about 18 years ago.
Many people are saying NO they are pets....yet when they no longer become cost effective to maintain, do you think that they go off to pasture to live a lovely life? Answer is no, they may go to an auction and those at that auction may well be horsemeat suppliers who will pay to have the animal killed and processed for mass market. Therefore, to be blunt, I eat pigs, I eat cows, I eat meat wherever it is sold. I am a carnivore which means I will eat meat.

[MissFM]

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And I think I have already answered that issue way back on page 1 or 2 of the thread but as it has evolved it is around this issue of horsemeat/beef and the crux of that argument was put extremely well by Eloise within the first 2 pages of the thread.

My opinion is No it is definitely not wrong to eat Horsemeat and yes I have eaten horsemeat about 18 years ago.
Many people are saying NO they are pets....yet when they no longer become cost effective to maintain, do you think that they go off to pasture to live a lovely life? Answer is no, they may go to an auction and those at that auction may well be horsemeat suppliers who will pay to have the animal killed and processed for mass market. Therefore, to be blunt, I eat pigs, I eat cows, I eat meat wherever it is sold. I am a carnivore which means I will eat meat.

Yes, Eloise gave her opinion on this issue (citing the Nazis), as did you and many others who agree with you. As you say it has moved on to another related topic. There are actually very few people (2? maybe 3?) saying "no- they are pets" as you choose to put it but actually also saying something quite different and they are being ridiculed - but this is a forum and one that is allegedly a proponent of free speech.

[jon1965]

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We have indeed gone way off topic
Is it morally wrong to eat horsemeat...well I guess thats up to your individual morals however if you eat meat then I would say no it's not.
If however you are vegetarian or Vegan for moral reasons then of course yes it is.

What, and I think everyone here agrees, is immoral is to be told that you are eating x when it is infact y

[MissFM]

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We have indeed gone way off topic
Is it morally wrong to eat horsemeat...well I guess thats up to your individual morals however if you eat meat then I would say no it's not.
If however you are vegetarian or Vegan for moral reasons then of course yes it is.

What, and I think everyone here agrees, is immoral is to be told that you are eating x when it is infact y

Why are vegetarians or vegans subject to more stringent moral scrutiny than others?

Of course everyone agrees with your last point - they have from the start and it's not the point of the thread although it's been hijacked to be (because the basic question is either uneasy or uninteresting to most?) - is a discussion forum really based on everyone agreeing with each other on an obvious point?

[leclerc]

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Why are vegetarians or vegans subject to more stringent moral scrutiny than others?

Of course everyone agrees with your last point - they have from the start and it's not the point of the thread although it's been hijacked to be (because the basic question is either uneasy or uninteresting to most?) - is a discussion forum really based on everyone agreeing with each other on an obvious point?

I hope you do not mind me asking the question but have you watched, "kill it, cook it, eat it"?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgKVg1uvwQQ

See above for the first part which is about burgers. They made a number of programs and some people were vegetarian and vegan and that last part might explain a viewpoint of someone who is vegan, hope that makes sense

[MissFM]

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I did Leclerc - thank you - and I am actually a farmer's wife (so not so naive but alert to harsh facts and not an animal rights activist AT ALL lol)

[Inca]

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Last words from me on this thread..YES it's morally wrong to be conned into eating horse.NO I don't think anyone (vegan,carnivore etc) has the MORAL high ground,,each to their own. Horsemeat is not a staple part of the diet in this country (as far as I am aware) and it should not be foisted upon us as something else. and NO I wouldn't eat it by choice because horses are not commercially bred to be eaten here (plus,I happen to think horses are beautiful creatures).......