Just a Heads Up - Petrol Protests Sat 15th Dec

[Paule]

Re: Just a Heads Up - Petrol Protests Sat 15th Dec

Makes me SO F*(&^*&%&^% ANGRY!!!!

THINK before you SPEAK!!!

Can I just point out that this thread was to make people aware that there is a protest and hence they may need to get petrol before the media circus makes people think that the petrol stations will run dry.

This thread has NOT been discussing the reasons for the protests.

PKea

[Happyolddog]

Re: Just a Heads Up - Petrol Protests Sat 15th Dec

Can I just point out that this thread was to make people aware that there is a protest and hence they may need to get petrol before the media circus makes people think that the petrol stations will run dry.

This thread has NOT been discussing the reasons for the protests.

PKea

Ditto Pkea.

[Delta]

Re: Just a Heads Up - Petrol Protests Sat 15th Dec

oooooops

[Guest]

Re: Just a Heads Up - Petrol Protests Sat 15th Dec

Reduce fuel duty. REDUCE fuel duty?!

Let's just think that one through shall we?

When was the last time you drove more than 20 miles, without getting snarled up in traffic AT LEAST once? When was the last time you drove on the motorway and were able to do 70mph all the way, in the daytime?

The roads are how they are, DESPITE fuel costs being so high. If we lower fuel duty, how much WORSE is it going to be? Also, are you utterly ignoring the warnings of scientists all over the world saying that we're destroying our own planet with greenhouse gasses? Where do you think the major source of greenhouse gasses IS?!

Reduce fuel duty so that our children and grandchildren can have nowhere to live. Great.

Makes me SO F*(&^*&%&^% ANGRY!!!!

THINK before you SPEAK!!!

Stoney, you need to go to your happy place and consider what you have written.

I really thought the "millennium bug" was the greatest scam of our time, but this was as nothing compared with the great Global Warming Swindle, a con-trick of truly monumental proportions.

I do not oppose environmentalism, or Friends of the Earth, Greenpeace or indeed any caring environmentally conscientious people. However, anthropogenic global warming, or man-made Climate Change, is not about environmentalism. It is science; the science of meteorology.

Science is a discipline which relies on testing hypotheses and exposing flaws. Scientific fact is not a democracy. The laws of physics are not subject to the democratic vote of a group of scientists. Science has shown that Global Warming is a non-event, a manufactured crisis and a total scam. There is no run away climate change. The impact of humans on climate is not catastrophic. Our planet is not in peril and the sky is not falling.

You, among others, have been brain-washed with the idea that man-made carbon dioxide emissions are causing the present warming of the earth. The truth is that there isn't the slightest actual scientific evidence to back up that contention and in any event mankind is responsible for only 3.5% of total global carbon cycle CO2 emissions.

For the record, I believe that the earth’s climate is changing and that our planet is warming - However, I would ask you to explain how, if global warming is being caused by the activities of mankind, we are seeing global warming on every other body in the solar system?

For the last six years, the Martian south polar ice cap has conspicuously receded. Pluto is warming – about two degrees Celsius over the past 14 years. Jupiter is showing dramatic climate change by as much as 10 degrees Fahrenheit. Even Neptune’s moon, Triton, has warmed five percent on the absolute temperature scale – the equivalent of a 22 degrees Fahrenheit increase on Earth – from 1989 to 1998. Meanwhile, solar radiation has increased a measurable .05 percent since the 1970’s. Is it possible that as the sun gets slightly warmer, the planets do too?

If global warming is being caused by the activities of mankind, why is it that we have ample historical records of periods in our recent history when the planet’s temperature was warmer than it is today?

During the Medieval Warm Period, from about 900 to 1300 AD, we know that wine grapes were thriving in northern Britain and Newfoundland and that the temperature in Greenland was hot enough to support a prosperous agricultural economy for nearly 500 years. That period was brought to an end by the Little Ice Age that lasted from 1300 until 1850.

If global warming is caused by the activities of mankind, why is it that increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide always follow increases in global temperatures by several hundred years, indicating that CO2 is a by-product of increasing temperatures – not a cause? There is overwhelming evidence to show that temperature increases precede carbon dioxide rises, so carbon dioxide levels cannot be a cause of global warming and any steps taken to reduce emissions are futile.

The notion that all the polar ice will melt and rising sea levels will flood vast areas of the world's landmasses and that "our children and grandchildren can have nowhere to live" is distinctly alarmist and grossly exaggerated.

There is no convincing scientific evidence for man-made global warming outside of computer models, which do not agree with actual climate data. Therefore, despite the passionate pleas in your post above, the jury is out on the extent of human contribution to alleged global warming. The over-emphasis on a fundamentally suspect, if not downright flawed environmental issue is convenient for top down government driven changes, intrusive legislation and the application of “green” taxes helped along by the environmentalists' propaganda machine.

In time that this is an outrageous scam will become obvious. As the temperature rises, polar ice cap melting, coastal flooding and super-storm patterns all fail to occur as predicted everyone will come to realise we have been duped, but we will all be paying a great deal more tax than we already do and the human suffering that the lies told about Global Warming have caused will be immeasurable.

Of course, parts of certain ice caps are melting, yet other parts are thickening and it is generally accepted that the main Antarctic ice cap is, in fact, both cooling and increasing its ice mass but of course, this is not reported nearly as much and you and your ilk conveniently fail to mention it too.

I must turn now to the reliance you place on "warnings of scientists all over the world... " Scientists draft reports for the IPCC, but the IPCC are bureaucrats appointed by governments; in fact many scientists who contribute to the reports disagree with the 'spin' that the IPCC and media put on their findings. One of the latest reports for example, suggests that the next 100 years might see a temperature change of 6 Celsius yet a Lead Author for the IPCC (Dr John Christy UAH/NASA) has pointed out that the scenarios with the fastest warming rates were added to the report at a late stage, at the request of a few governments — in other words the scientists were told what to do by politicians. And in case you might think that Dr John Christy is a lone voice, there are nearly 18,000 signatures from scientists worldwide on a petition called The Oregon Petition which says that there is no evidence for man-made global warming theory or for any impact from mankind's activities on climate.

In short, The IPCC has become notorious for its corrupt practices of doctoring its reports and executive summaries, after they have been approved by the participating scientists, to conform to its political objectives and it is a matter of public record that some scientists have withdrawn from the IPCC process because of dissatisfaction with its probity and methods.

We are all going to die!!!!!!! unless we pay more tax.....

[Niklowe]

Re: Just a Heads Up - Petrol Protests Sat 15th Dec

Stoney, It's worth a read of this, so you can make your mind up.

http://www.oism.org/pproject/s33p36.htm

[StoneLaughter]

Re: Just a Heads Up - Petrol Protests Sat 15th Dec

I have not been brainwashed (and I feel downright patronised, thanks).

I DO however know that it is wrong to pump thousands of tons of poison into our atmosphere every hour. Why? Well, BECAUSE IT'S POISON! How do I arrive at that conclusion? Because people can quite readily kill themselves with the very same stuff in minutes.

I won't debate this here; because and only because it makes me react so badly. Lowering fuel duty is a very bad idea, in MY opinion, because it will increase the amount of poison pumped into the air that I breathe.

By the way; scientific consensus is very clear in its opinion - that global warming is very definitely of Man's doing. Look up "consensus" if you're not sure why I am following along with that opinion.

[Delta]

Re: Just a Heads Up - Petrol Protests Sat 15th Dec

Scientific concensus is not 100% behind man made global warming, there is a growing bunch of scientist that say otherwise, it's just that they are not following the fashionable trend so they tend to get ignored.

Climate change has been happening since the world was born, and nature will get on with doing whatever nature wants to do.

Where were the coal fired factories, gas guzzling 4x4s and such like that the woolly mammoths were using the last time the planet came out of an ice age?

I have watched with interest lot of this and read a lot of the facts being put forward, by both sides, and the chart about the co2 showed that co2 followed the trend of the temperature, not led it.

And anyway, if the emmissions that cars/vehicles pump out is so toxix to the planet, then how come the plantlife by the side of motorways and roads is so prolific?

My other half is a driver for a living, he also needs to drive to work, work is 8 miles away, yes just 8 miles, but the bus takes an hour to get there (and that's without the 10 minute walk after getting off the bus) the first bus from here during the week is 5.20, and on a Sunday is 8.30, not very helpful when he has to be there at 6am.

I'm not a driver, and I have never flown, I am just one person that is sick of seeing the people in this country being forced to bend over and get shafted time after time by our government. If in doubt tax it (or failing that ban it!)

[WendyB]

Re: Just a Heads Up - Petrol Protests Sat 15th Dec

Well everyone is entitled to their own opinions, and to do what they see fit. You have to do what you have to do. I myself drive, but if fuel duty were lowered it wouldn't mean I would drive more, or further. I'd still do the same amount of driving and use the same amount of fuel, but at less cost to me. If I had to use public transport to get through my day, I think I'd lose the will to live, as well as extending my time awake by hours. In a normal day, I get up at 6.30am, go to stables to turn pony out etc, have to get there by 7.20 inorder to get everything done and be back home by 8.30 to go to work for 9 till 5. After work I go home, get daughter, go to stables, come home, getting back at about 6.30pm. I work two evenings a week, finishing at 9.45pm. Usually I collapse into bed by about 10.30 ish, having been awake and on the go for at least 16 hours. If I had to factor in getting from place to place by public transport then I'd be doing at least a 20 hour day, not to mention not being where I was supposed to be on time. So thats why I drive, not because fuel is cheap or expensive or whatever - its because I have to. Throw in doing the shopping, yeah that would be real fun carrying umpteen bags (not plastic ones, obviously) on and off buses.

Please do not think I'm after the sympathy vote here - I'm not. Just telling it the way it is. You gotta work with what you've got.

I do my bit towards "saving the planet", recycle as much as I can, compost heap, usual stuff. And I put biofuel in my horsebox. But cut down on my car journeys? Until someone invents a device to allow me to disapparate, then I'm afraid not. Like Delta says, its a question of allowing ourselves to carry on being shafted. Or not, as the case may be.