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  • A plea to drivers.........

    Warning - this is long and may be boring to some of you lol but it's something close to my heart and if one person reads it and it helps then that's enough for me!!

    As some of you may already know, I have a horse and a pony for my daughter. They were both 'donated' lol. I've always been heavily into horses and have ridden since about 5 years old.

    One thing that has always been an issue are horses using the roads. I have just read an article from the Daily Mail about a driver being jailed for dangerous driving (ramming into a horse).

    'You're a bully and used your van as a weapon': Road rage driver who rammed into horse rider jailed | Mail Online

    Coming after my friend nearly getting wiped out by a speeding coach, I'd like to explain a few things and maybe start to strike up some sort of harmony between horse riders and drivers, for the benefit of all.

    Obviously if a car hits a horse then the horse and rider stand to be seriously injured, but so does the driver and any passnegers. Horses weigh half a ton or more and are adept athletes, they have incredibly strong limbs and could kick a car door clean off. I have had many insults and accusations thrown at me whilst on horses, have been in a few scary situations on the roads, and witnessed some truly appalling driving. I have also been put in danger by other riders and their horses, and seen some complete lack of respect and consideration from riders too, it's not all one sided.

    I hear a few 'old chestnuts' each time I have a discussion with drivers about this and I'd like to explain a few -

    'Horses should be in fields not on roads' - Horses are considered as traffic. They are only allowed to use roads, lanes, bridleways and green lanes. They are not allowed on grass verges (though this is generally waived), footpaths, cycle lanes, pedestrian walkways and as everyone else, private land without permission. Due to development, many bridleways have been diverted, closed or disjointed. Roads built across them, houses built on them etc. This poses a problem really as riders need to use the roads to gain access to areas we are allowed to ride on legally. Many riders I know don't want to use the roads but there is no other alternative other than giving up and selling the horse!

    'Horses don't pay road tax or insurance' - True, to ride a horse on the road you don't need to pay road tax. However, horses do not cause the damage that cars do, and there is no legal requirement to pay anything for a rider, if there were I for one would do it. Many riders DO however have insurance. Horses are very expensive when they go wrong and most owners have insurance to cover this, along with most policies is a 3rd party clause. Personally I think it should be a legal requirement of riding a horse in public, and both my horses are insured for 3rd party liability.

    'If you can't control it you shouldn't have it on the road' - entirely agree. But, a horse is an animal. The majority are trained to traffic and are calm and sensible, but as with any animal if it feels threatened it will react. I do think that riders and horses should pass a test before they can ride on the roads legally, and children under 16 should only be on the roads with the supervision of an adult. The problem comes when the horse is frightened or intimidated by horns beeping, engine revving, erratic driving, loud music from cars and cars driving too close. The safest way to pass a horse is to treat it as overtaking another vehicle, but slowly. Pull out onto the other carriageway when it is safe to do so and give the horse plenty of room. Some riders (myself included) will ride double file to ensure that drivers cannot squeeze between us and the oncoming traffic.
    Riders may do this for several reasons - a young, novice horse or rider can only be trained to behave correctly on the roads by actually going on the roads. The most inexperienced horse is put on the inside and shielded by an more experienced horse. This has a double effect, it stops cars from getting too close to the young horse and causing a potential hazard and stops the young horse jumping into the path of traffic - the older horse acts as a 'buffer'.
    I also do this on bends and hills, I can see oncoming traffic over the hedge line and can hear it, I do ask drivers to stop but am more often than not totally ignored, I'm not doing it to be awkward, it's to try and help everyone on that bit of road. By effectively blocking the road the drivers behind have to stop and wait until it's safe to overtake. If they do try and overtake and there is oncoming traffic then it's usually the horse that gets swerved into.

    Most riders and drivers are polite when they meet up, drivers react to riders signal requests, riders move over and pull in where possible, drivers give plenty of room, don't rev engines, slow down, turn down booming music and drive safely. Horse riders appreciate this and thank the driver by a smile and nod, a raise of the hand, a shouted thank you...........

    However you do get the odd occasion where it all goes wrong, and riders aren't blameless either - meandering down the road with an i pod on not paying any attention to cars behind, not thanking drivers who are courteous, not pulling over when they can to let cars go by. Kids bouncing about on ponies with no road sense, horses that are not safe in traffic......... I know all this happens and I think that the bad ones spoil it for the good ones.


    Rules for riders on the roads

    Rules about animals (47-58) : Directgov - Travel and transport

    I think these are sadly inadequate and desperately need updating.

    These are the rules for passing horses on the roads, again inadequate and need updating. (Note 214/215)

    Road users requiring extra care (204-225) : Directgov - Travel and transport

    Thank you if you have taken the time to read this and I hope that the next time you happen across horses on the road you will remember what I have said and make the road a safer place for all of us
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    Re: A plea to drivers.........

    Hey Montz

    Just a quick thing, Hubby is a lorry driver and he always comes to a complete stop, hazards on and calls the riders past him.

    As he says, any horse can get skitterish and take fright, and at the end of the day... isnt everyone just trying to get home

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    • #3
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      Too true Puffrose, we're all there because we have to be. I often find it's professional drivers such as lorry drivers (my dad is one too) and bus drivers that are the best - they drive for a living. I have been approached by fire engines, police cars and ambulances with blue lights, sirens and at speed, they have turned sirens off and gone onto the other side of the road and carried on, if they, on their way to an emergency, can still observe the safety of others then I think that's an example to set.

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      • #4
        Re: A plea to drivers.........

        Unfortunatly, in this age of get it there yesterday, people forget the most precious lesson my late grandad taught me.

        Its nice to be important, but important to be nice!

        and that goes for 2 legs to 4 legs too! All it takes is to slow down, take your time, enjoy the ride and respect and (yes i know it sounds very born again christian) love your fellow man!

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        • #5
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          I always respect other road users how ever they travel the one hing that gets up my nose is most horse riders are hard to see fors goodness sakes get them all to wear hi viz clothing thats easy so why dont they?

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          • #6
            Re: A plea to drivers.........

            I've always given way to horse-riders and passed them at slow speed. I always get a wave of thanks from them for doing this. The only time I feel I want to pull a horse-rider from their mount and give them a damn good hiding is in the case of those taking part in fox hunts who use their horses to attack hunt monitors and block public highways, thereby causing hindrance to those whose need to proceed is urgent, e.g. the blue light services, blood transfusion, organ transplant. They give the vast majority of responsible horse-riders a bad name they don't deserve.
            Life is a journey on which we all travel, sometimes together, but never alone.

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            • #7
              Re: A plea to drivers.........

              There's loads of horses on the roads where I live and the vast majority of drivers here are very horse friendly.

              My biggest horse objection - I have to pick up my dog's pooh, but .......

              It can get pretty disgusting, not so much on a road, but on a beach where children play.......

              Not sure how you overcome it though! :beagle:

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              • #8
                Re: A plea to drivers.........

                ive only had one nasty horse rider and that was in Devon, I stopped, pulled in to a parking space, and turned the radio off, waved the driver by. She looked at the car as though it was come out of her horse and snapped Your in the country now GIRL! and muttered and complained all the way back!

                I think i got in the way of ones 'Orse!

                Normally you get a nice wave, a THANKS LOVE! and a smile.. and thats just from the horse!! msl:

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                • #9
                  Re: A plea to drivers.........

                  Originally posted by wales01man View Post
                  I always respect other road users how ever they travel the one hing that gets up my nose is most horse riders are hard to see fors goodness sakes get them all to wear hi viz clothing thats easy so why dont they?
                  This is something I missed on my original post but also one of my pet hates too!! I think it should be law to wear them on the road for horse riders and cyclists, they are so hard to see and they give drivers extra seconds to take action. I also think that hats should be law for anyone, not just under 14's. I never put a foot in the stirrup without my hat and never ride on a road without my high viz jacket. My horse also wears high viz stuff so he can be seen, should we erm, part company lol.

                  Labman I understand your issues with what horses leave behind, however to have a rider dismount and try and hold onto a horse at the same time as clearing up a big pile, remount and then carry the shovel and what they have picked up would prove more of a hazard to other road users than the poo did. You do get a little 'warning' with some horses they slow down and walk differently when they intend to 'go'. When my lad does that I try and park his bum on a verge, but then I am lucky to have to do limited road work and all the roads I use are lanes with big verges, even though I'm not really allowed on them! Lol

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                  • #10
                    Re: A plea to drivers.........

                    Originally posted by Monzter View Post

                    You do get a little 'warning' with some horses they slow down and walk differently when they intend to 'go'.
                    OMG, I do that. I think I'm a horse. Neigh - I can't be!!!

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                    • #11
                      Re: A plea to drivers.........

                      Lol Labman I missed your point firstly though about beaches, and I have to agree with you. I think there should be a seasonal ban on horses as there are dogs for busy beaches. Not just for the 'fall out' lol but I don't really think it's safe to have horses parading through really busy areas with all those 'free range' children, the kids don't understand the danger horses can pose (and why should they) and they run up to horses wanting to pet them which can cause the horse to think the pint sized person is going to eat them lol.

                      Another thing though is dog walkers on bridleways and green lanes. It terrifies me because dogs are a horses natural hunter, and when they run up to a horse jumping about and barking, the horse will probably react defensively = kicked dog, rider on floor and horse disappearing into the distance....... I hate to see any animal hurt but my horse doesn't understand that the dog may just be playing, or even that the dog is scared. My horse gave a dog flying lessons after it swung off his tail, I got a mouth full from the owner telling me the dog was only playing and I should control my horse - erm, my horse was fully tacked up and under control and doesn't understand dog language, and attacked by your dog, not on a lead hmmmmmm. Of course I felt bad for the dog, but if your dog isn't good with horses don't walk it on a bridleway!

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                      • #12
                        Re: A plea to drivers.........

                        have you ever seen a puppy meeting a horse for the first time?? OMG how funny!! When amber was a pup, she was on leash and this woman came up with her horse (another One is riding Ones 'Orse to Ones haice type) and Luna has been raised near a police horse stables, so she normally ignores them!

                        Ambs stopped, saw the foot, looked up the leg, sat down, looked at me like WTF??? and then looked at the horse, i swear if she could talk it would have been what breed of dog re you????

                        rider was all Control your dogs INSTANTLY (erm one is sniffing a tree and ignoring the horse, one is sitting wondering what the hell your horse is and they are both on leashes) but i was too busy rolled up laughing at Amber to do anything else

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                        • #13
                          Re: A plea to drivers.........

                          Yes I've introduced both of my horses to my dog as a pup, the Shetland was intrigued and licked her all over lol. The pup sneezed in my big horses face and then licked his nose in a rather endearing way lol he stomped off in disgust!

                          However, there is a certain stereotype that goes with horses, that we're all posh and stuck up and rich. I tell you if you saw me in the same clothes I ride my horse in, walking round a shop you'd think I was a tramp lol, literally. And I'm certainly not stuck up or rich, I don't have the time or energy to be stuck up 'cos I'm too busy working to pay for the horses lol. I do know the type exists though, as I have met several people who look down on others and think they're a cut above, they look down on me riding in my tatty jeans and holey boots and on my scruffy horse lol. I don't car though because I have a horse because I love horses, not because it's a status symbol.

                          If I happen across a dog I'll stop the horse and wait, of course the dog will want to investigate and if the dog isn't aggressive then my horse at least, will just sniff and look back, but not being the shy retiring type my boy, if he's threatened, he'll retaliate. Most owners whose dogs don't listen will put them on the lead, but the odd one think it's OK to let their dog chase my horse or let it chew on his legs and then complain when he kicks out.

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