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    Abbey Judgment on first stage of OFT test case

    On 24 April 2008 the Court issued its judgment on this first stage of the test case. The judgment is complex and the Banks are currently considering its implications.

    Further Court hearings will be required before the test case process is concluded. The likely timetable for the next steps in the test case will be decided by the Court at a hearing which is expected to be held during the next few weeks. We will confirm the exact date of this hearing as soon as possible.

    As previously agreed with the Financial Ombudsman Service and the FSA, customer complaints relating to unauthorised overdraft charges will currently remain on hold. The Banks will continue to ask County and Sheriff Courts to keep cases relating to unauthorised overdraft charges on hold until the test case process is concluded.

    In the meantime, if you have already registered your complaint, you need to take no further action and it will remain on hold. Please continue to refer to our website for further information. It will be updated with more details relating to the test case as soon as possible.

    Barclays Current Account Preliminary Test Case Judgment

    Update 24 April 2008
    1. The banks welcome the judgment that the court has issued on the first stage of the test case relating to unarranged overdraft charges. The test case process was initiated by the banks, with the OFT, to bring clarity to an issue which is of concern to a large number of bank customers.
    2. This judgment - which contains important points for both the banks and the OFT to consider – marks the first stage in the test case process. The banks remain committed to resolving, through the court, the legal issues concerning unarranged overdraft charges. The judgment illustrates how complex those issues are. The banks and the OFT agreed that the case should move forward as quickly as possible and this has been achieved, with assistance from the court. The banks expect that the case will continue to progress as quickly as possible and will work with the OFT to achieve that.
    3. The court has decided (subject to appeals) that the banks’ current terms and conditions relating to unarranged overdraft charges:
    * Are not unenforceable penalties; but
    * Are assessable for fairness under the Unfair Terms in Consumer Contracts Regulations 1999 (UTCCRs).
    4. The banks are pleased that the court has agreed that their current charges are not unenforceable penalties. The banks believe that the same analysis will apply to charges under their historic terms.
    5. In relation to the UTCCRs, the court has emphasised in the judgment that the question of whether the banks’ charges satisfy the fairness requirement of the UTCCRs has not been determined by the court. That is a question that can only ultimately be decided by the court and not, for example, by the OFT.
    6.
    The court also reached the following conclusions:
    * Unarranged overdrafts are one of the essential, real and identifiable services which the banks provide to their personal current account customers.
    * As a matter of legal analysis the terms and conditions of many of the banks accurately reflect the fact that when a customer tries to make a payment without sufficient funds or an arranged overdraft, the customer is requesting an unarranged overdraft.
    * The banks’ current terms and conditions are in “plain intelligible language” but the court found that, in “certain specific and relatively minor respects”, the current terms and conditions of some banks (namely Abbey, Barclays, Clydesdale and HBOS) were not.
    7. A further hearing or hearings will now be required in order for the court to determine the issue of fairness (and any outstanding issues relating to the application of the principles in the judgment to the banks’ historic terms). The banks believe their charges are fair and that the charges will therefore be upheld by the court at this next phase.
    8. The timetable for the next steps in the test case will be decided by the Court at a hearing on 22 May 2008. The banks are keen that all outstanding issues should be resolved as expeditiously as possible. They will be making case management proposals at the hearing on 22 May 2008 which are consistent with this aim. The banks and the OFT will each have to decide by the time of that hearing whether they wish to appeal any aspects of the judgment.
    9. As previously agreed with the Financial Ombudsman Service and FSA, customer complaints relating to unarranged overdraft charges will remain on hold. The banks will continue to ask County and Sheriff Courts to keep cases relating to unarranged overdraft charges on hold until the test case process is concluded.


    Clydesdale Bank – Judgment on First Stage of OFT Test Case
    BBA MEDIA STATEMENT

    1. The Banks welcome the judgment that the Court has issued today on the first stage of the test case relating to unarranged overdraft charges. The test case process was initiated by the Banks, with the OFT, to bring clarity to an issue which is of concern to a large number of bank customers.
    2. This judgment - which contains important points for both the banks and the OFT to consider – marks the first stage in the test case process. The Banks remain committed to resolving, through the Court, the legal issues concerning unarranged overdraft charges. The judgment illustrates how complex those issues are. The Banks and the OFT agreed that the case should move forward as quickly as possible, and this has been achieved with assistance from the Court. The Banks expect that the case will continue to progress as quickly as possible and will work with the OFT to achieve that.
    3. The Court has decided (subject to appeals) that the Banks’ current terms and conditions relating to unarranged overdraft charges:
    * are not unenforceable penalties; but
    * are assessable for fairness under the Unfair Terms in Consumer Contracts Regulations 1999 (“UTCCRs”).
    4. The Banks are pleased that the Court has agreed that their current charges are not unenforceable penalties. The Banks believe that the same analysis will apply to charges under their historic terms.
    5. In relation to the UTCCRs, the Court has emphasised in the judgment that the question of whether the Banks’ charges satisfy the fairness requirement of the UTCCRs has not been determined by the Court. That is a question that can only ultimately be decided by the Court and not, for example, by the OFT.
    6. The Court also reached the following conclusions:
    * unarranged overdrafts are one of the essential, real and identifiable services which the Banks provide to their personal current account customers;
    * as a matter of legal analysis the terms and conditions of many of the Banks accurately reflect the fact that when a customer tries to make a payment without sufficient funds or an arranged overdraft, the customer is requesting an unarranged overdraft; and
    * the Banks’ current terms and conditions are in “plain intelligible language” but the court found that, in “certain specific and relatively minor respects”, the current terms and conditions of some Banks (namely Abbey, Barclays, Clydesdale and HBOS), were not.
    7. A further hearing or hearings will now be required in order for the Court to determine the issue of fairness (and any outstanding issues relating to the application of the principles in the judgment to the Banks’ historic terms). The Banks believe their charges are fair and that the charges will therefore be upheld by the Court at this next phase.
    8. The timetable for the next steps in the test case will be decided by the Court at a hearing on 22 May 2008. The Banks are keen that all outstanding issues should be resolved as expeditiously as possible. They will be making case management proposals at the hearing on 22 May 2008 which are consistent with this aim. The Banks and the OFT will each have to decide by the time of that hearing whether they wish to appeal any aspects of the judgment.
    9. As previously agreed with the Financial Ombudsman Service and FSA, customer complaints relating to unarranged overdraft charges will remain on hold. The Banks will continue to ask County and Sheriff Courts to keep cases relating to unarranged overdraft charges on hold until the test case process is concluded.

    Nationwide – judgement on first stage of OFT test case

    Nationwide and seven banks are engaged in a High Court test case with the Office of Fair Trading (OFT) to decide the legality of unauthorised overdraft charges. The first stage of the test case process was heard by the Court between 16 January and 8 February 2008, and dealt with certain preliminary issues of legal principle.

    On Thursday 24 April 2008, the Court issued its judgement on this first stage of the test case process. The judgement is complex and we and the banks are currently considering its implications.

    The ruling covered three aspects:
    1. On the issue of whether the charges were penalties, the judge ruled that they were not.
    2. The judge ruled that Nationwide’s terms and conditions are in plain and intelligible language.
    3. The judge ruled that charges are subject to the test of fairness under the Unfair Terms in Consumer Contracts Regulations 1999.

    Further Court hearings will be required before the test case process is concluded. The likely timetable for the next steps in the test case process will be decided by the Court at a procedural hearing which will take place on 22 May 2008.

    As previously agreed with the Financial Ombudsman Service and the FSA, customer complaints relating to unauthorised overdraft charges will currently remain on hold. We and the banks will continue to ask County and Sheriff Courts to keep cases relating to unauthorised overdraft charges on hold until the test case process is concluded.
    Last edited by Paule; 28th April 2008, 11:22:AM. Reason: Tidy Up

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    Re: Responses to Case posted on Bank Websites

    Lloyds TSB - Answers to questions on bank charges

    Today [24 April 2008] the judge delivered his judgment on the first stage of the test case. The judge decided (subject to appeals) that our current terms and conditions:
    * Are not unenforceable penalties.
    * Are assessable for fairness under Unfair Terms in Consumer Contracts Regulations 1999 (“UTCCRs”).

    While the judge said our current charges are assessable for fairness, he said that whether our charges are fair has not been determined by the court. This will be determined by a later court hearing.

    The judge also made the following findings:
    * Our current terms and conditions are in “plain intelligible language”; and
    * Unplanned overdrafts are one of the essential services which we provide to our current account customers.

    We are pleased that the judge agreed that our current charges are not unenforceable penalties. We believe that the same analysis will apply to charges under our historic terms.

    Q: What happens next?
    A: Further hearings will now be required so that the court can consider our historic terms and the issue of fairness. We believe that our charges are fair and that the charges will be upheld by the Court at this next stage of the test case.

    We are keen to resolve the legal issues concerning unplanned overdraft charges to provide clarity for everyone. The judgment illustrates how complex those issues are. The Banks and the OFT agreed that the case should move forward as quickly as possible and this has been achieved with assistance from the Court. We expect that the case will continue to progress as quickly as possible and will work with the OFT to achieve that.

    The timetable for the next steps in the test case will be decided at a hearing on 22nd May 2008. By the time of that hearing, the Banks and the OFT will each have to decide whether they wish to appeal any aspects of the judgment.


    RBoS Test case - overdraft charges

    Update 24 April 2008
    What is happening?

    On 24 April 2008, the Court issued its judgment on the first part of the test case process. The full judgement is available at Judiciary of England and Wales website (PDF)

    In summary:
    * The court decided that the current charges are not penalties.
    * The Judge also found that the banks' current terms are sufficiently clear to enable the typical consumer to have a proper understanding of them for sensible and practical purposes.
    * The Judge found that the terms and conditions relating to unarranged borrowing charges are assessable for fairness under the Regulations. He was not asked to rule on whether the banks’ terms were fair or not.
    * A further court appointment is scheduled for 22 May to agree the next stages of the test case.

    Further court hearings will be required before the test case process is concluded. The likely timetable for the next steps in the test case will be decided by the Court at a hearing which will take place on 22 May.
    Once that hearing has taken place, RBS will be in a better position to know the likely timescales going forward.
    Now that the Court has ruled that the 1999 Regulations do apply, there will need to be further phases of the test case to determine whether the charges are unfair
    At this stage, it is impossible to say. Once the next hearing on 22 May has taken place, the timing of further phases of the test case and the likelihood of any appeal will become clearer
    Last edited by Paule; 28th April 2008, 11:24:AM. Reason: Tidy Up

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      Re: Responses to Case posted on Bank Websites

      HBOS Important information about unarranged overdraft bank charges

      The Court has issued its judgment on this first stage of the test case process. The judgment is complex and the Banks are currently considering its implications.

      Further Court hearings will be required before the test case process is concluded. The likely timetable for the next steps in the test case process will be decided by the Court on 22 May 2008.


      HSBC Customer update regarding overdraft court case

      Update 24 April 2008

      The first stage of the test case was heard by the Court between 16 January and 8 February 2008 and dealt with certain preliminary issues of legal principle. On 24 April 2008 the Court issued its judgment on this first stage of the test case. The judgment is complex and we are currently considering its implications.

      Further Court hearings will be required before the test case process is concluded. The likely timetable for the next steps in the test case will be decided by the Court at a hearing which will take place on 22 May 2008.

      We will continue to post updates on our website to keep customers informed of progress on the test case.
      What will happen to customer complaints about overdraft charges?
      Last edited by Paule; 28th April 2008, 11:27:AM. Reason: Tidy Up

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      • #4
        Re: Test Case Updates on the Banks Websites

        I have shown ONLY the updated information on the websites.

        Which, in some cases, is only to tell you that the first stage is complete.

        You can see that some banks are willing to disuss the initial Judgement, whereas other aren't.

        PKea

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