The EU referendum

[Kati]

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Paws?
What Companies and where are the press releases from them published would expect that they can be copied on here, Both sides should stop the attacks on those polticians who support leave or remain getting tedious now its about the people of the Country not a few politicians with big mouths

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...eave-uk-brexit ??

Bertelsmann Foundation’s survey of 700 British and German firms finds 29% would cut capacity or relocate with 80% firmly behind UK staying in the EU

"the impact of brexit" - https://www.global-counsel.co.uk/sit..._of_Brexit.pdf

http://openeurope.org.uk/intelligenc...were-a-brexit/

According to Open Europe's comprehensive Brexit report, UK GDP could be 2.2% lower in 2030 if Britain leaves the EU and fails to strike a deal with the EU or reverts into protectionism. In a best case scenario, under which the UK manages to enter into liberal trade arrangements with the EU and the rest of the world, whilst pursuing large-scale deregulation at home, Britain could be better off by 1.6% of GDP in 2030. However, a far more realistic range is between a 0.8% permanent loss to GDP in 2030 and a 0.6% permanent gain in GDP in 2030, in scenarios where Britain mixes policy approaches.

[PAWS]

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Unfortunately I interviewed these companies under contract and cannot go into details – But they include some of the names mentioned above and in similar threads. It is not up to me to decide when and where the article is published. Some information I acquired through personal contacts including my husband and it would be very unwise indeed to mention the specifics here.

When it comes to D’head Dyson-He cheated this country -He took tax payers money and then opened his sweat shops abroad. He has no right what so ever to talk about the economy of this country as he ‘defaulted’ -big style.
Companies are worried that a handful of people including Farage who has not been democratically elected can lead the public with tales of wonder and a land of milk and honey without producing a single plausible plan to show how this could be achieved or sustained.
Just think about it -their sums don’t add up, their statements don’t stand up to intelligent scrutiny, they have not produced a single bit of evidence to suggest any country will trade freely with us and yet it is constantly up to the stay campaign to prove even the Status Quo never mind the catastrophic situation we will be in should we leave.
Send these jokers to negotiate on our behalf and they would come back with a bag of magic beans
BTW -MY other half said people that look like me go on the back page of the Sun. With the Rugby players!

[Amethyst]

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Can people re-posting stuff from elsewhere try find the orignal source of the post please so it is clear it is a re-post.

[pt2537]

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All the remains on here still have not answered my question companies moving abroad if we vote leave is not certain or do you all have some proof if so show us

Major banks have already started the process of planning for moving their offices into the EU if we vote leave. There was a small business owner who was on BBC QT the other night who also said he would move his base if we leave, in fact if you look in the press many large businesses have said they would leave if we vote Brexit.,

[Kati]

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Can people re-posting stuff from elsewhere try find the orignal source of the post please so it is clear it is a re-post.

like this :noidea: xx

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...eave-uk-brexit ??

original poll - http://www.bfna.org/media_advisory/s...it-as-a-threat

[Amethyst]

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Thinking more of the re-posts of rather one sided misleading essays plastered across facebook and other forums that are finding their way onto here.

[wales01man]

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Still no answer to my question of how much it will cost the average perso if we leave businesses will only leave if it costs them to stay

[Sparkie1723]

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BETTER THE DEVIL YOU KNOW than the one you think MIGHT BE A Better Devil.........BUt turns out worse
Sparkie

[Amethyst]

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Still no answer to my question of how much it will cost the average perso if we leave businesses will only leave if it costs them to stay

https://fullfact.org/europe/economic...eu-membership/

[PAWS]

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Seriously though ,Jobs will be lost and if there are more unemployed and less going into the system then it is only natural that we will all be worse off. Oh and less NI payments mean the NHS will get a squeeze.

Sorry- should have linked this to wales' comment

[Openlaw15]

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When deciding on what to vote with the EU referendum, please read this carefully, it's not just about immigration,
Everyone keeps talking about the money everyone pays into the EU, but what does the EU do with all those grants?
Well, here's a list for you:
Cadbury moved factory to Poland 2011 with EU grant.
Ford Transit moved to Turkey 2013 with EU grant.
Jaguar Land Rover has recently agreed to build a new plant in Slovakia with EU grant, owned by Tata, the same company who have trashed our steel works and emptied the workers pension funds.
Peugeot closed its Ryton (was Rootes Group) plant and moved production to Slovakia with EU grant.
British Army's new Ajax fighting vehicles to be built in SPAIN using SWEDISH steel at the request of the EU to support jobs in Spain with EU grant, rather than Wales.
Dyson gone to Malaysia, with an EU loan.
Crown Closures, Bournemouth (Was METAL BOX), gone to Poland with EU grant, once employed 1,200.
M&S manufacturing gone to far east with EU loan.
Hornby models gone. In fact all toys and models now gone from UK along with the patents all with with EU grants.
Gillette gone to eastern Europe with EU grant.
Texas Instruments Greenock gone to Germany with EU grant.
Indesit at Bodelwyddan Wales gone with EU grant.
Sekisui Alveo said production at its Merthyr Tydfil Industrial Park foam plant will relocate production to Roermond in the Netherlands, with EU funding.
Hoover Merthyr factory moved out of UK to Czech Republic and the Far East by Italian company Candy with EU backing.
ICI integration into Holland’s AkzoNobel with EU bank loan and within days of the merger, several factories in the UK, were closed, eliminating 3,500 jobs
Boots sold to Italians Stefano Pessina who have based their HQ in Switzerland to avoid tax to the tune of £80 million a year, using an EU loan for the purchase.
JDS Uniphase run by two Dutch men, bought up companies in the UK with £20 million in EU 'regeneration' grants, created a pollution nightmare and just closed it all down leaving 1,200 out of work and an environmental clean-up paid for by the UK tax-payer. They also raided the pension fund and drained it dry.
UK airports are owned by a Spanish company.
Scottish Power is owned by a Spanish company.
Most London buses are run by Spanish and German companies.
The Hinkley Point C nuclear power station to be built by French company EDF, part owned by the French government, using cheap Chinese steel that has catastrophically failed in other nuclear installations. Now EDF say the costs will be double or more and it will be very late even if it does come online.
Swindon was once our producer of rail locomotives and rolling stock. Not any more, it's Bombardier in Derby and due to their losses in the aviation market, that could see the end of the British railways manufacturing altogether even though Bombardier had EU grants to keep Derby going which they diverted to their loss-making aviation side in Canada.
39% of British invention patents have been passed to foreign companies, many of them in the EU
The Mini cars that Cameron stood in front of as an example of British engineering, are built by BMW mostly in Holland and Austria. His campaign bus was made in Germany even though we have Plaxton, Optare, Bluebird, Dennis etc., in the UK. The bicycle for the Greens was made in the far east, not by Raleigh UK but then they are probably going to move to the Netherlands too as they have said recently.
Anyone who thinks the EU is good for British industry or any other business simply hasn't paid attention to what has been systematically asset-stripped from the UK.
I haven't detailed our non-existent fishing industry the EU paid to destroy, nor the farmers being paid NOT to produce food they could sell for more than they get paid to do nothing, don't even go there.
I haven't mentioned what it costs us to be asset-stripped like this, nor have I mentioned immigration, nor the risk to our security if control of our armed forces is passed to Brussels or Germany.

As I have said all long the EU as an entity profits large and well-known international banks like Barclays, the likes of Jaguar Land Rover - the multi-billionaire company and still getting a grant from the EU. The EU just looks after companies like the International Monetary Fund and World Bank looks after banks. The EU is like a funny handshake club for rich companies. It's not for the average consumer. The UK apparently only exports 8% of trade to EU countries so the inference is that the EU countries need use for our imports.

[des8]

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That list is very suspect and has been reposted fron a facebook site (FUBAR or some such)
It has been reposted non critically and perhaps could be compared with this: http://webarchive.nationalarchives.g...ownership.html.


For example HOOVER at Merthyr : American owned, almost completely closed down following fire and a brave attempt to make the Sinclair C5.
Bought by Candy when an almost empty shell, they still employ about 1350 in uk.

[Kati]

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The EU just looks after companies like the International Monetary Fund and World Bank looks after banks. The EU is like a funny handshake club for rich companies. It's not for the average consumer. The UK apparently only exports 8% of trade to EU countries so the inference is that the EU countries need use for our imports.

but ... the EU gave us better rights for workers, better rights for the single parent (both MUM and DAD), a way to fight those benefit sanctions when the UK government say "no", better standards of housing.

I'm not saying I agree with everything the EU has done, but there's still a lot of good in there!!

[enaid]

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Am out, will not change my mind, won't post again as it is very clear no one knows what will happen stay or leave. A change is as good as a rest imho and the banks threatening to leave, well there may be an ulterior motive in there too, maybe they are in the know they can't milk us as they have over gawd knows how many years and for how many millions. 'appen they will try it on somewhere else and good luck to em lol.

[Openlaw15]

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but ... the EU gave us better rights for workers, better rights for the single parent (both MUM and DAD), a way to fight those benefit sanctions when the UK government say "no", better standards of housing.

I'm not saying I agree with everything the EU has done, but there's still a lot of good in there!!

Unless you have a good lawyer EU law means nothing. EU law only benefits workers who are either state or emanation (ie in public jobs or public banks). There are few exceptions to this rule but people in none state jobs are unlikely to benefit from EU law, unless coach and lorry drivers, ie 45 mins break and those covered under the Working Directive albeit there are exemptions for employers. Equality Rights mean nothing without a good lawyer. However, paternal and maternity rights are important and do come from EU law and will be observed by employers, ie binding. Benefit sanctions are different and are not covered by EU law - EU law generally means protection for workers when they transfer to another state, as usually the member state (ie the UK) has its own competence. So EU law is more about between EU countries' law.