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Kafka in Business Week (14/1/2008)

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  • Kafka in Business Week (14/1/2008)

    Britons Strike Back at Bank Fees

    Britons Strike Back at Bank Fees

    Is it the end of overdraft charges? British consumers are suing eight banks over what they think are unfair practices. The U.S. is watching carefully
    by Kerry Capell

    On Jan. 14, a long-awaited hearing begins in Britain to determine the legality of bank overdraft charges. The test case pits Britain's main consumer watchdog against eight big British banks in a battle that will have major ramifications for retail banks and their customers. The court's ruling, says HSBC Holdings (HBC) Chairman Stephen Green, could "change the economics of retail banking" in Britain.

    British banks, like their U.S. counterparts, love to charge their depositors overdraft fees—those levies a bank collects for honoring a check when there's not enough dough in the account to cover it. British overdraft charges average some $57, much higher than the U.S. average of $34. Last year, banks in Britain generated an estimated $7 billion from overdraft and excess-borrowing charges, according to the Office of Fair Trading, the government's competition watchdog.

    A good deal for the banks—except British consumers have been suing them like crazy over the last two years, claiming the fees breach consumer-protection laws. Pressed by the threat of litigation, the top five banks refunded customers $810 million in the first half of 2007 alone. Now, in a development that could influence similar battles in the U.S., the court will decide whether or not such charges breach consumer contract regulations, as the Office of Fair Trading claims they do.

    Empower Yourself: Sue Your Bank

    If the court agrees with the OFT, banks could be forced to refund overdraft charges dating back six years. A ruling isn't expected for several months at the earliest and appeals could drag the case out until next year.

    If the banks are humbled, it will be because of the mad-dog zeal of the activists. One is Peter Brown. The soft-spoken history lecturer at the University of Wales has reclaimed a total of $13,000 in overdraft fees and resulting interest charges from four banks. He co-founded Legal Beagles - Consumer Rights Forum , a Web site that offers claim forms "for the self-litigating consumer." Says Brown, "Taking your bank to court is incredibly empowering."

    The activists argue the banks' overdraft charges far exceed the actual cost of $9 or so they incur when customers overdraw on their account, and they should not reap such huge profits. Britain's banks argue these charges pay for a service provided to customers, so they are not covered by consumer protection laws that put a cap on penalties.

    Settling With a Law Student

    The British Bankers Assn. warns if the ruling goes against the banks, such standard perks as free checking and no-fee ATM services may go by the board. "There is no consequence-free result," warns the association's chief executive officer, Angela Knight. "If banks are put in a position where they have to change their business model, then they will. It may be there has to be a substantial change in how banks charge for their services."

    Campaigners such as Stephen Hone wants banks to declare exactly how much it costs them every time a customer goes into the red without permission. Three years ago while still a law student, Hone became one of the first to take his bank, Abbey National, to court, claiming bank penalty charges must reflect the true cost of administering them. As the court date drew nearer, Abbey kept upping its offer to settle.

    "By the time I finally settled for $10,000, it was around 600% more than I initially asked for," Hone says. His advice Web site, penaltycharges.com (motto: "So easy even a monkey can do it"), is attracting attention internationally. "I have e-mails from all over the world, including the U.S., from people wanting to know how they can challenge their banks."

    Can the U.S. Be Far Behind?

    No doubt, consumer groups and legal experts in the U.S. are watching the case in Britain closely. A bill in Congress would prevent U.S. banks from enrolling customers in overdraft-protection programs without their consent. Last year, U.S. banks and credit unions made $17.5 billion from such overdraft fees, according to The Center for Responsible Lending, a Washington nonprofit.

    The banks in the U.S. are balking. But if high overdraft charges are banned in Britain and yet the banks there remain profitable, "it will undercut the U.S. banks' argument that they must impose these charges or they will go out of business," says Elizabeth Warren, a professor and bankruptcy expert at Harvard Law School. "The British may give us an example of profitability on fairer terms."

    With Jessica Silver-Greenberg
    Capell is a senior writer in BusinessWeek's London bureau.

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    Re: LB mentioned in Business Week

    I think that is fantastic Kafka, but where are the pictures??

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    • #3
      Re: LB mentioned in Business Week

      They don't put many photos on the web version, as they are mainly for the photo-magazine. Photos should be stunning, judging from usual standard.

      Current edition is shown in the top right-hand corner of the website and seems to change on Fridays. Presumably the mag comes out then, but as I can't get it around here i'm not sure.

      You will find it in major cities, airports, places where american travellers go LOL

      :carrot: :beagle:

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      • #4
        Re: LB mentioned in Business Week

        Well done Kafka , nice bit of exposure .
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        • #5
          Re: LB mentioned in Business Week

          You already seen the photos then

          Yes it is a fantastic article, I know you put a lot into it.....and I hope the print version has those piccies in.

          Well done, xxxxxxxx and Thank you x
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          • #6
            Re: LB mentioned in Business Week

            I only saw some of them on the laptop as they were going through them.

            Jillian is a world-class photographer though, so whichever one of the pile they select should be class.

            I was just told to look 'heroic' msl:
            (it comes naturally...)

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            • #7
              Re: LB mentioned in Business Week

              At last Kafka, well done, I'm sure we will get hold of the magazine somewhere won't we?

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              • #8
                Re: LB mentioned in Business Week

                another job well done kafka.... great stuff

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                • #9
                  Re: LB mentioned in Business Week

                  :carrot::carrot::carrot::celebrate::celebrate::cel ebrate:



                  Nice one Kaf!

                  Does anyone know if anywhere in Reading would sell it?
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                  When we strive to become better than we are, everything around us becomes better too.

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                  • #10
                    Re: LB mentioned in Business Week

                    WHSmith maybe?

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                    • #11
                      Re: LB mentioned in Business Week

                      About That Overdraft: See You in Court

                      Banking January 24, 2008, 5:00PM EST

                      About That Overdraft: See You in Court

                      Brits are suing over the fat fees banks charge to cover a dud check. The consumer ire could spread to the U.S.
                      by Kerry Capell

                      British banks, like their U.S. counterparts, love overdraft fees—those levies they collect for honoring a check when there's not enough money in the account to cover it. British overdraft charges average $57, nearly 70% more than in the U.S. Last year, banks in Britain generated some $7 billion in overdraft charges and excess-borrowing fees, says the Office of Fair Trading, Britain's competition watchdog.

                      Good deal for the banks—except that customers have been suing them like crazy, claiming the fees violate consumer-protection laws. Pressed by the litigation, Britain's top five banks refunded $810 million to customers in the first half of 2007. Now, the Office of Fair Trading has brought suit against the top banks, a move that could affect similar battles in the U.S.

                      On Jan. 16, Britain's High Court began hearing a case to decide whether the fees are fair. HSBC (HBC) (HBC)Chairman Stephen Green told analysts in November that the outcome could "change the economics of retail banking" in Britain.
                      If the banks are humbled, it will be because of the zeal of consumer activists. One is Peter Brown. Four banks have refunded the history lecturer from the University of Wales a total of $13,000 in overdraft fees and related penalties from four banks. He co-founded legalbeagles.info, a Web site that offers claim forms "for the self-litigating consumer." Says Brown: "Taking your bank to court is incredibly empowering."

                      Activists argue that the banks' overdraft charges far exceed the costs incurred—about $9—when customers overdraw their accounts and that banks shouldn't reap such huge profits. Britain's banks argue these charges pay for a service provided to customers, so the fees are not covered by consumer protection laws that put a cap on penalties. The British Bankers' Assn. warns that if the ruling goes against the banks, standard perks such as free checking and no-fee ATM service may go by the board. "There is no consequence-free result," warns Angela Knight, the association's chief executive.

                      What about the other side of the pond? A bill in Congress would limit U.S. banks' use of overdraft-protection programs. American banks are balking. But if these charges are banned in Britain and the banks there remain profitable, "it will undercut the U.S. banks' argument that they must impose these charges or go out of business," says Elizabeth Warren, a professor and bankruptcy expert at Harvard Law School. "The British may give us an example of profitability on fairer terms."

                      Capell is a senior writer in BusinessWeek's London bureau .

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