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The Sisters of Jesus and Mary v Morgan Stanley’

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  • The Sisters of Jesus and Mary v Morgan Stanley’

    Irish nuns sue banks for millions



    Irish nuns are suing Morgan Stanley and Deutsche Bank for misleading them into buying bonds and incurring losses of €5m.

    The rather noticeable case of Sisters of Jesus and Mary vs. Morgan Stanley' was filed at the High Court this week bearing the names of 88 investors, including the Sisters of Charity of Jesus and Mary, the Holy Faith sisters and the Irish Veterinary Benevolent Fund.



    The nuns allege that between January 2005 to December 2006, they were convinced to buy €5.9m worth of so-called 'Hybrid Structured euro constant maturity swap notes' for promised steady returns of 6.25% a year for four years.

    Promises made

    They claim Morgan Stanley contractually assured them that the bonds would be sold immediately if downgraded to a certain level. Deutsche Bank was named as the custodian of the deal.

    By January 2009, the bonds were downgraded to junk status by Standard & Poor's. However according to the prosecution, instead of fulfilling its alleged promise, Morgan Stanley waited five months before selling the bonds.

    It is suggested that the bank made $11.2 m in the delay. But by then, the bonds were worth less than 20% of what the plaintiffs had paid.

    Test case

    This may prove an interesting test case and no doubt the likes of Goldman Sachs will be watching intently as if it is successful (which is a big 'if") then it may be followed by a long chain of similar law suits.

    One suspects that Morgan Stanley will defend itself robustly and it is undeniably a company with influence and power but then the Vatican has been known to have deep pockets and friends in high places too. One assumes that the nuns will have the full backing of the church and this may prove persuasive.


    http://www.dailyfinance.co.uk/2010/0...-for-millions/

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    Re: The Sisters of Jesus and Mary v Morgan Stanley’

    Presumably then they are after the difference in the value of the bonds at the time they were downgraded to junk status and when Morgan Stanly actually fufilled their promise to sell on downgrade 5 months later ? The nuns will still have lost a massive chunk of money.

    Or are they claiming misselling initially and the whole caboodle back ?
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    • #3
      Re: The Sisters of Jesus and Mary v Morgan Stanley’

      Originally posted by Main man View Post

      but then the Vatican has been known to have deep pockets and friends in high places too.

      http://www.dailyfinance.co.uk/2010/0...-for-millions/

      I love this bit - don't come any higher than the man upstairs, do they
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      • #4
        Re: The Sisters of Jesus and Mary v Morgan Stanley’

        They will be suing for non performance of contract leading to a loss.
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        • #5
          Re: The Sisters of Jesus and Mary v Morgan Stanley’

          I think the fact that whilst the Nuns lost MS profited from its non-compliance will add greatly to the Nuns argument. In addition I don't think their claim will be confined to non-performance. It will probably include matters of fiduciary duty, good faith etc

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          • #6
            Re: The Sisters of Jesus and Mary v Morgan Stanley’

            The Lord works in a mysterious way.

            (Well, he did when Lowell's tried it on with me for 10 500 quid on an old Scabbbby Abbey cum MBNA crerdit card. Abbey couldn't find the original CCA .)

            BECAUSE THE LLOYD (I mean Lord) HAD DESTROYED IT.


            Actually, thjis was a tripple whopper.

            Abbey sold a dud debt to Lowells, Lowells tried it on with me, I ***** over Lowells.

            Is that a Holy Trinity?

            (Well, that's what I told the good, honest Christian folk at Lowells.)

            BUT, Scabbbbbby Abbey had ***** (forgive me father, for I have used bad language in this post-"Lowes") all over Lowell's by selling them a dud debt. Nice one Abbey, treat yer DCAs like that do yer?
            Thanks!

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            • #7
              Re: The Sisters of Jesus and Mary v Morgan Stanley’

              im not a christian l but what comes around goes around. x3 I believe
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              • #8
                Re: The Sisters of Jesus and Mary v Morgan Stanley’

                As someone that doesn't do religion, it always facinates me that churches are always pleading poverty and yet have 5.9 m to play with. So much for vows of poverty.

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