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    Abbey Owner Throws Down The Banking Gauntlet | banks | abbey | supreme_court | Kleinman | Sky News Blogs


    Abbey Owner Throws Down The Banking Gauntlet



    Mark Kleinman November 19, 2009 7:10 AM





    In recent weeks, ministers have been paving the way for a new era of competition in high street banking as large chunks of our taxpayer-backed banks are prepared for sale.
    And today, just as details of a new consumer personal finance education body are to be unveiled (in the Financial Services Bill), one of Britain's biggest high street banks is to make an announcement that's likely to make its rivals sit up and take notice.
    I’m told that Santander of Spain (owner of Abbey and rescuer last year of Alliance & Leicester and parts of Bradford & Bingley) is to make a bold move: it will unveil a current account that incurs no fees whatsoever. That means no charges for being overdrawn, none for using cash machines abroad, no foreign exchange fees and no charges for contentious things like bounced cheques and missed direct debit payments.
    At a time when the consensus among banking experts is that increasingly tight margins will become the norm for high street lenders (witness the explanation for recent job cuts at HSBC and Royal Bank of Scotland (RBS)), this is brave stuff.
    As I understand it, Santander’s Zero Current Account (the ‘Zero’ refers to the fees, by the way, rather than the interest rate) will be available to any Abbey mortgage customer (of which there are about 2m at the moment).
    Few of the major international banks seem to have emerged more robustly from the global banking crisis than Santander.
    In Britain, that was vividly demonstrated as lender after lender (Northern Rock, HBOS and RBS) sought comfort in the arms of the State. Already the owner of Abbey, Santander capitalised on its position, snapping up A&L and B&B, and now has 25m UK customers. Britain now accounts for 16pc of the Spanish bank’s group profit.
    Santander will argue that it has the firepower to do this because it has more efficient operations than its competitors. Its boss is likely to say that the bank is offering consumers a new deal which reflects the volume of business they conduct with it. That sounds a lot like one version of the ‘contract’ between banks and society for which ministers have been pushing.
    The timing of today’s announcement is not coincidental. Next week, the Supreme Court is scheduled to make its judgement about whether the Office of Fair Trading has the power to decide whether bank overdraft fees are fair or not. That follows appeals by the banks against previous rulings by the High Court and the Appeal Court.
    This dispute has been going on for years and has affected well over 1m British customers. Next week’s ruling will be, in that context, very significant.
    The announcement also comes at a time when ministers are desperate to promote competition in retail banking. They have suggested that disposals being made by Lloyds Banking Group, Northern Rock and RBS will enable the creation of three new retail banks.
    Today’s announcement undoubtedly throws down the gauntlet to Santander’s rivals. It’s a pre-emptive strike that on the one hand could be argued will make it even harder for new entrants to come into the market and compete. Equally, it’s a bold move to gobble up market share that looks to have no obvious catch for consumers. It will be interesting to watch ministers’ (and consumers') reaction.

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    I have argued, since this campaign began that market forces, not bank charge claims will dictate the future structure of personal bank accounts. Many supposedly intelligent and learned people predicted that the charges campaign would spell the end of free banking and rounded viciously on those of us who advocated reclaiming bank charges.

    I disputed this all along and it would appear that one of Britain's biggest high street banks disputes it also, not merely with words, but with actions.

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      Wonder if they are removing/reducing the late payment fees on the mortgage accounts, which you have to have to get the 'zero' current account, as well ?

      Interesting to see how this news progresses and what the actual terms are

      Sounds ok if you already have an abbey mortgage, still pays their 6% on credit balances and the overdraft interest is 12.9%.
      Last edited by Amethyst; 19th November 2009, 10:11:AM.
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        Originally posted by Cetelco View Post
        I have argued, since this campaign began that market forces, not bank charge claims will dictate the future structure of personal bank accounts. Many supposedly intelligent and learned people predicted that the charges campaign would spell the end of free banking and rounded viciously on those of us who advocated reclaiming bank charges.

        I disputed this all along and it would appear that one of Britain's biggest high street banks disputes it also, not merely with words, but with actions.
        I suspect that the reason Abbey are introducing this account, which will no doubt be the first of many such account introductions over the next few weeks is actually due to a combination of circumstances including market forces, competition, government pressure and the charges test case.

        All in all it's an extremely clever move by Abbey, but I doubt very much if it's a move which we would have seen had they been confident of a win next wednesday. The fact that they were probably made aware of the test case result at the beginning of this week speaks volumes.

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          as well as that, its quite a clever move financially, I'm sure the mortgages will bring in more revenue than fees on accounts did and should give the mortgage book a boost.

          Apparently theres no requirement to pay the mortgage from your Abbey Zero Account, but if there was then it wouldnt end up like Lloyds loans (who won't accept payments from elsewhere you have to pay from your Lloyds account and if u pay money in to cover it risks being swallowed in charges, creating more charges etc etc) because there are no charges. Also if you are struggling to pay your mortgage one month, do they just take it ?

          Also be interesting to see how they handle 'unplanned overdraft requests' and whether they will pay any DD's etc that arent guaranteed taking you over or not. They'll have to pay guaranteed transactions - so debit card/cheques etc - so having no penalty for those is good, just the interest.

          What are Abbey Mortgages like then? lol.


          Also - the press officers stated that it definately was not linked to the test case nor the PCA report (yeah right lol)
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            Santanders Press Release

            For Immediate Release: 19 November 2009


            SANTANDER LAUNCHES NO FEE CURRENT ACCOUNT
            The ZERO Current Account from Santander:
            ·Revolutionary new current account with no overdraft fees
            oNo authorised charges
            oNo unauthorised charges
            oNo charges for unpaid items
            oNo charges for paid items
            ·No charge for use of ATMs world-wide and no foreign exchange fees
            ·Fee-free debit card usage for purchases world-wide
            ·6 per cent in credit interest rate fixed for 1 year
            ·Market-leading overdraft interest rate of 12.9 per cent
            ·No banker’s draft fees
            ·Consumers wishing to pre-register interest should call 0800 234 6058
            Santander today outlined the first of a series of initiatives aimed at radically changing retail banking in the UK, giving existing customers the chance to benefit from its success in becoming the most efficient bank in the UK.
            From January 2010 the Santander Zero Current Account will be available to anyone who currently holds a mortgage with the bank, or opens one. The deal will be available to all customers of Abbey and Bradford & Bingley when the two banks become Santander. It will be extended to Alliance & Leicester customers when it rebrands to Santander later in 2010.
            António Horta-Osório, Chief Executive of Santander UK,
            said:
            “Santander is uniquely placed amongst UK banks to change the way it does business, and our new approach is one based on simplicity: the more business you do with us, the more we will offer you in return.

            “We can only deliver on our promises because we are the UK’s most efficient bank and have the backing of one of the world’s best retail banks. We can share the benefits of efficiency and scale with our customers through market-leading products and improved service.”
            No Fees
            The Santander Zero Current Account will have no overdraft fees and if you do go overdrawn the interest rate applied will be a very competitive 12.9 per cent.
            Fee-free ATMs and free purchases abroad
            The Santander Zero Current Account also offers free ATM access around the world. This is for withdrawals customers make using the Visa Debit card associated with the account. There is also no foreign exchange loading charge and there will be no charges on the use of the Visa Debit card to make purchases world-wide. With UK residents making 61 million trips1 overseas each year, the convenience of using a debit card abroad will be appealing.
            Market leading in-credit interest
            The Santander Zero Current Account offers a market leading in credit interest rate of 6 per cent in the first year. This is payable on balances up to £2,500 providing you credit the account with at least £1,000 each month
            Vim Maru, Director of Retail Products, Santander UK, said:
            ”There are 15 million people in the UK with a mortgage. I encourage every one of them to switch to one of our best buy mortgages that offer great value for money so that they too can take advantage of fee-free banking with the Santander Zero Current Account.
            “We will, of course, continue to offer great deals for new customers but the greatest opportunity lies with our ability to do more business with our existing base of 25 million customers. Today’s announcement is the first stage in what we want to become and how we want to build our business in the UK as Santander.”
            Last edited by Amethyst; 19th November 2009, 14:23:PM.
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              unauthorised overdraft rate 28.7% APR - just checking that with them for the new account
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                Originally posted by Amethyst View Post
                unauthorised overdraft rate 28.7% APR - just checking that with them for the new account
                IMHO
                You cant argue with an unauthorised overdraft rate. Banks have made their money like this since the time when Jesus used to boot them out of the temple.

                I would need to borrow around £40,000 to pay a charge of £35 for going over drawn for 1 day...I can live with that.
                The charges coming in to the banking industry every day will more than pay the banks total legal bill for the whole test case so why wouldn’t the Banks want to "ensure Justice at the highest level"

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                  lol no not saying its a bad thing, just getting all the facts together
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                    Originally posted by ROBSTER View Post
                    IMHO
                    You cant argue with an unauthorised overdraft rate. Banks have made their money like this since the time when Jesus used to boot them out of the temple.

                    I would need to borrow around £40,000 to pay a charge of £35 for going over drawn for 1 day...I can live with that.

                    Agreed Robster.

                    Once all the major banks are offering these zero type accounts then competition between them will come into play on the various interest rates. It's going to be a very interesting period.

                    One difficult situation is likely to be the lack of incentive for potential new PCA providers to get involved in the banking business. But do we really need anymore ??

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                    • #11
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                      have the details confirmed now and have posted a brief story in announcements Abbey first to launch Fee Free banking - for mortgage customers only... - Legal Beagles

                      Santander , who own Abbey, have announced the launch of a new current account from January which will offer fee free banking.

                      Contrary to much opinion that the forthcoming Judgment from the Supreme Court in the case between the OFT and the Banks this does not seem to be signaling the end of free banking, rather the opposite.

                      The Account is however only available to consumers who hold their Mortgage with Abbey although there is no requirement to make mortgage payments from the account.

                      The ZERO Current Account from Santander offers:

                      • No authorised charges
                      • No unauthorised charges
                      • No charges for unpaid items
                      • No charges for paid items
                      • Overdraft interest rate of 12.9 per cent
                      • No seperate unauthorised overdraft interest rate
                      • No charge for use of ATMs world-wide and no foreign exchange fees
                      • Fee-free debit card usage for purchases world-wide
                      • 6 per cent in credit interest rate fixed for 1 year
                      • No banker’s draft fees


                      The bank have stated that if you didn't have enough credit in your account to make your Abbey Mortgage Payment then they would pay it and continue to charge the overdraft rate of 12.9% on the additional overdraft.

                      António Horta-Osório, Chief Executive of Santander UK,
                      said:
                      “Santander is uniquely placed amongst UK banks to change the way it does business, and our new approach is one based on simplicity: the more business you do with us, the more we will offer you in return.''

                      The Bank told Legal Beagles they hope that customers will find the deal so attractive they will use the account as their primary banking account and manage all their direct debits and standing orders through it.


                      They have also said that this decision, of course, has no relation to the forthcoming judgment in the Supreme Court over the fairness of bank charges, nor anything to do with the OFT's recent Market Study on Personal Current Accounts.

                      We feel that this type of account comes into line with the OFTs recommendations made in the PCA report and will be beneficial to consumers pushing the hand of the other banks to lower their fees, it is a clear and easy to understand system offering good value for money.

                      The deal will be available to all customers of Abbey and Bradford & Bingley when the two banks become Santander. It will be extended to Alliance & Leicester customers when it rebrands to Santander later in 2010.

                      Consumers wishing to pre-register interest should call 0800 234 6058

                      We will comment further when we receive a copy of the full terms and conditions of this account.
                      Last edited by Amethyst; 19th November 2009, 11:48:AM.
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                        Originally posted by ROBSTER View Post
                        IMHO
                        You cant argue with an unauthorised overdraft rate. Banks have made their money like this since the time when Jesus used to boot them out of the temple.

                        I would need to borrow around £40,000 to pay a charge of £35 for going over drawn for 1 day...I can live with that.
                        Strictly speaking Jesus chased the money changers from the Temple area. They were not money lenders and were not carrying out any business inside the Temple.

                        Every Israelite, rich or poor, who had reached the age of twenty was obligated to pay a half shekel as an offering to Jehovah into the sacred treasury. This tribute was in every case to be paid in the exact Hebrew half shekel. At Passover everyone in the world who was an adult male and wished to worship at the Temple would bring his "offering" or purchase a sacrificial animal at the Temple. Since there was no acceptance of foreign money with any foreign image the money changers would sell "Temple coinage" at a very high rate of exchange and assess a fixed charge for their services. It was this profiteering that Jesus apparently objected to.

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                          I tried to pre-register (I don't have a mortgage with them, but do have an instant saver a/c, & it does say all customers................................)

                          Computer says no
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                            Flaming hell Cet is there any subject you are not a Genius at ? Your wit and knowledge amazes me and I applaud you for it :clap2:

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                              Originally posted by sapphire View Post
                              Flaming hell Cet is there any subject you are not a Genius at ? Your wit and knowledge amazes me and I applaud you for it :clap2:

                              I am a little worried as it sounds like Cetelco is speaking from first hand experience.

                              Aha check out the guy on the right, could it possibly be ?

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