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    Chronicle Online-Bank lost - but still wont pay

    Bank lost - but still won’t pay

    Date published: 17/12/2008

    A BUSINESSMAN has turned the tables on his bank by winning a court ruling to reclaim more than £5,000 in charges.

    Tom Shaffi struck a blow for millions fighting bank charges after succeeding in a David and Goliath battle against Yorkshire Bank — but he is yet to receive a penny back.

    The self-employed Royton man is among the many who have besieged banks to demand the refund of high charges.

    But the banks are waiting for an Appeal Court judgement on whether or not the Office of Fair Trading (OFT) can decide if their overdraft charges are unfair before deciding whether to pay out.

    Mr Shaffi (43) won a County Court Judgement (CCJ) against Yorkshire Bank and says the bank, like anyone who has a ruling against them, should be forced to repay him.

    He said: “I think I was charged unfairly. I have contacted the bank on numerous occasions to ask them to settle the debt but they have not done anything.

    “The judge agreed with me and there’s no reasonable excuse coming from the bank. They should be forced to settle the claims that were made.

    “They exploited everyone for decades and it’s about time someone put a stop to it. If I can strike a blow for the working man it may give everyone else a little bit of confidence to push that bit harder.”

    Once, while away for six weeks, a bank charge put Mr Shaffi in the red — he was charged £25 plus £9 a day, totalling hundreds of pounds. On another occasion he was charged £9 a day, and £25 for every letter, after being overdrawn by £1.

    He said: “It’s profiteering and unfair. It’s the principle. I want every penny they owe me.”

    Last year, eight financial institutions and the OFT, which believes the charges are unfair, agreed to stage a test case in the High Court to resolve the legal issues.

    Mr Justice Andrew Smith ruled in April that the OFT did have the power to decide if charges were unfair, but the judgement of an appeal is yet to be given.

    It’s estimated that banks have refunded some £784million to 378,000 customers, often settling before court cases.

    A Yorkshire Bank spokesman said he could not comment on individual cases but the Financial Services Authority had said CCJs should be suspended until the conclusion of the test case.



    The final sentence supposedly by the FSA is absolutely scandalous considering Banks are still taking customers to courts and obtaining CCJ's even though there is likely to be bank charges accrued within the amount owed.

  • #2
    Re: CCJ but bank won't pay

    Astonishing!

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    • #3
      Re: CCJ but bank won't pay

      If a Judgement is already entered then the bank MUST pay - they do not have the authority (and nor do the FSA) to waive the responsibility. I say send in the Bailliffs. Oh, and they should be reported in Contempt.

      Tom
      I will not provide support by Private Message under any circumstances. This is for your protection and mine. Any advice I give is my own opinion and carries no legal weight. Check it before you use it!
      Over £1200 claimed in several actions against several organisations.

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      • #4
        Re: CCJ but bank won't pay

        I've asked the FSA press office to look into it.


        ----- Original Message ----- From EXC
        To: andrea. kinnear@fsa.gov.uk
        Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 10:37 AM
        Subject: Oldham Evening Chronicle



        Hi Andrea

        Further to our conversation please find link to the article 'Banks lost - but still won't pay' in the Oldham Evening Chronicle.

        http://www.oldham-chronicle.co.uk/ne...still-wont-pay

        As discussed I would be very grateful if you would confirm if it is the FSA's position that County Court Judgments made against UK banks and in favour of bank charge claimants should be suspended pending the outcome of the test case.

        Kind regards

        EXC

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        • #5
          Re: CCJ but bank won't pay

          Even if such is "the FSA's position", only the Judiciary have the authority to suspend a decision made and entered by a Judge... otherwise the very position of the Court is called into question. I think the bank show breathtaking arrogance in believing that they have this level of authority.

          Tom
          I will not provide support by Private Message under any circumstances. This is for your protection and mine. Any advice I give is my own opinion and carries no legal weight. Check it before you use it!
          Over £1200 claimed in several actions against several organisations.

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          • #6
            Re: CCJ but bank won't pay

            Serve a Statutory Demand on them, costs you nothing and they would hate the threat of being bankrupt in the current banking climate. Infact send them a fax today threatening a Statutory Demand and watch them jump.

            HAPPY CHRISTMAS !
            The charges coming in to the banking industry every day will more than pay the banks total legal bill for the whole test case so why wouldn’t the Banks want to "ensure Justice at the highest level"

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            • #7
              Re: CCJ but bank won't pay

              ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrea Kinnear
              To: EXC
              Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 12:21 PM
              Subject: RE: Oldham Evening Chronicle



              EXC,

              We do not comment on the individual firm.

              However on the general issue, the waiver does not mention CCJs; they would be a matter for the county courts, not the FSA.

              Hope this helps. Give me a call if you need anything else.

              Andrea

              Andrea Kinnear| Press Office | Communications Division |
              The Financial Services Authority

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              • #8
                Re: CCJ but bank won't pay

                Does it say if this was a default judgment or an actual judgment in a court hearing?

                If default then have the bank applied to set it aside pending the outcome of the test case (wrongly being a business account)?
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                • #9
                  Re: CCJ but bank won't pay

                  Thanks Cynthesis(you know why )

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                  • #10
                    Re: CCJ but bank won't pay

                    This is a classic example of a Claimant not managing his claim. It's no good whining to the press that they won't pay, of course they won't.

                    If he has obtained judgment, then he needs to enforce that judgment, it is not going to happen all on its own.

                    Since the judgment debt is in excess of £750 he can either serve a Statutory Demand or issue a writ of Fi Fa (Fieri Facias) in the High Court (for which the debt must be at least £600) and engage High Court Enforcement Officers to recover the sum which is going to be very difficult for them to ignore.

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                    • #11
                      Re: CCJ but bank won't pay

                      I agree the claimant needs to enforce his CCJ

                      As for the FSA stating the CCJ should be suspended when did they become a branch of the judiciary. If it's true it shows the inflated opinion they have of themselves and the utter disregard they have for the ordinary punter. Role on GOP

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                      • #12
                        Re: CCJ but bank won't pay

                        From: EXC
                        Sent: 22 December 2008 11:19
                        To: Andrea Kinnear
                        Subject: Re: Oldham Evening Chronicle



                        Andrea

                        Many thanks, I suspected it was a mis-print!

                        As you will be aware the current extension to the waiver expires next month and according to the FSA ''The waiver will be for six months, when we expect to have a decision from the Court of Appeal." This would imply that should the OFT win the appeal, the waiver would not be renewed.

                        Given that the clerk to the Master of the Rolls has recently indicated that the appeal judgment is expected to be handed down before the end of January, would it be reasonable for consumers to expect that if the judgment goes in favour of the OFT, the waiver will be revoked?

                        Kind regards

                        Nick


                        ----- Original Message -----
                        From: Andrea Kinnear
                        To: EXC
                        Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 11:35 AM
                        Subject: RE: Oldham Evening Chronicle


                        Nick,

                        Waivers (2007 &2008) have been granted because there is still not clarity how the banks should be responding to complaints about unauthorised overdraft charges so that customers are treated fairly and consistently.

                        We cannot predict how long the test case will last – but the current waiver has been granted for a limited duration and will be reviewed at the end of its live period. After this period, the FSA will consider whether renewal of the waiver is necessary and appropriate in the light of the prevailing circumstances at the time.

                        I'm sorry not to be able to help you more, but as you can imagine it's unhelpful to speculate on different scenarios.



                        Andrea


                        ----- Original Message ----- From: EXC
                        To: Andrea Kinnear
                        Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 12:43 PM
                        Subject: Re: Oldham Evening Chronicle



                        Andrea

                        Thanks for your prompt response.

                        Can I assume that ''The waiver will be for six months, when we expect to have a decision from the Court of Appeal." is speculative? If not, I'd be grateful if you could elaborate on what this actually means.

                        Kind regards

                        Nick

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                        • #13
                          Re: CCJ but bank won't pay

                          Blood, stone.



                          ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrea Kinnear
                          To: EXC
                          Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 12:48 PM
                          Subject: RE: Oldham Evening Chronicle



                          Nick,

                          The line you're referring to was merely to provide context on how the case was proceeding - nothing more should be read into it.

                          I refer you back to the line already supplied:

                          We cannot predict how long the test case will last – but the current waiver has been granted for a limited duration and will be reviewed at the end of its live period. After this period, the FSA will consider whether renewal of the waiver is necessary and appropriate in the light of the prevailing circumstances at the time.


                          Andrea

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