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    Treasury to nationalise B&B bank


    Parts of B&B are set to be sold on to another bank by the Treasury

    Troubled bank Bradford & Bingley is to be nationalised, the BBC has learned.
    Officials from the Treasury and the Financial Services Authority (FSA) have been in talks with executives from the bank in a bid to secure its future.
    BBC News business editor Robert Peston says the Treasury will almost instantaneously sell to a bank, or a number of banks.
    B&B's share price has plummeted and it has announced plans to cut 370 jobs due to the downturn in the mortgage market.
    The bank will be nationalised using special legislation the Treasury put through when it took Northern Rock into public ownership earlier this year.
    The measure is expected be announced on Sunday night or Monday morning.

    The nationalisation and break up of Bradford & Bingley will represent a momentous event in the history of British banking


    Robert Peston




    Robert Peston's blog

    The Treasury and FSA will negotiate with banks interested in buying parts of B&B. Possible buyers included Santander of Spain, HSBC and Barclays.
    Santander, which already owns Abbey and Alliance & Leicester, has been looking at B&B for some time.
    B&B's £50bn of loans, including £41bn of home mortgages, will not be sold and will be nationalised on a long-term basis. The mortgages may be given to the nationalised Northern Rock to manage.
    The bank experienced significant withdrawals of cash from its branches and online bank on Saturday amid customer concerns about its situation.
    The Treasury's decision to sell B&B's savings business means that depositors and savers' money should be safe.
    However, B&B's shareholders and holders of its subordinated debt may lose out.
    Our business editor says the nationalisation and break-up of B&B represents a momentous event in the history of British banking.

    We can assure customers that their deposits are safe with Bradford & Bingley


    Tony McGarahan
    Bradford & Bingley spokesman

    He said: "It will mean that every building society that floated on the stock market in the wave of demutualisations of the past two decades will either have collapsed or been sold to a conventional bank."
    B&B was perilously close to seeing a demand from depositors for the return of billions of pounds, which it would have been unable to find.
    Credit rating agencies had been downgrading the rating of its covered bonds, a form of funding which involves packaging up mortgages for sale to investors.
    Liberal Democrat treasury spokesman Vince Cable: "There doesn't seem to have been a white knight in the offing. The alternative otherwise was just to let the thing go bust and protect the depositors".
    Bradford & Bingley spokesman Tony McGarahan said discussions were taking place and an announcement would be made before the Stock Market opened on Monday.
    "We can assure customers that their deposits are safe with Bradford & Bingley," he said.
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    B&B to be nationalised

    • Robert Peston
    • 27 Sep 08, 09:41 PM

    I have learned tonight that the Treasury has taken a decision to nationalise Bradford & Bingley, using the special legislation it put through when it took Northern Rock into public ownership earlier this year.
    The nationalisation, which could be announced tomorrow night or first thing Monday morning, underlines the scale of the global banking crisis.
    However the Treasury will almost instantaneously sell to a bank - or even a number of banks - Bradford & Bingley's 200 branches and its savings business.
    So B&B savers, who had more than £20bn deposited in the bank just a few weeks ago, will find themselves customers of another bank.
    The Treasury and the Financial Services Authority will spend tomorrow negotiating with banks interested in buying these parts of B&B. These possible buyers included Santander of Spain, HSBC and Barclays.
    By contrast, B&B's £50bn of loans - including £41bn of residential mortgages - will not be sold and will be nationalised on a long term basis.
    Because of the downturn in the British housing market, it would be impossible to sell these now for anything but a cripplingly low price.
    It is possible that these mortgages will be given to the nationalised Northern Rock to manage.
    The nationalisation and break up of Bradford & Bingley will represent a momentous event in the history of British banking, because it will mean that every building society that floated on the stock market in the wave of demutualisations of the past two decades will either have collapsed or been sold to a conventional bank.
    It may well be seen as proving that demutualisation of building societies has been a colossal mistake, both for the institutions themselves and for the British economy (I will return to this theme in the coming days).
    B&B experienced significant withdrawals of cash from its branches and its online bank today, because of customers' concerns about the health of the bank.
    However there were no significant queues, except for at four branches before doors opened, because hundreds of B&B staff gave up their day off and volunteered to man the tills.
    The Treasury's decision to sell B&B's savings business means that retail depositors and savers should not lose a penny.
    B&B's shareholders and holders of its subordinated debt may not be so fortunate.
    The Treasury and the Financial Services Authority decided they had to act to nationalise B&B because the bank was perilously close to seeing a demand from investors for the return of billions of pounds - which it would have been unable to find.
    The reason it faced this calamitous threat was because credit rating agencies had been downgrading the rating of its covered bonds, a form of funding which involves packaging up mortgages for sale to investors.
    It only required one more downgrade, according to a banker, for those investors to be able to demand their cash back. With wholesale funding markets in a state of seizure, it would have been impossible for B&B to borrow more billions to pay off these covered bonds.
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      Re: B&B to be nationalised then sold.........

      and the Winner is... SANTANDER

      Santander 'likely' to acquire B&B
      Giant Spanish bank Santander is to acquire Bradford & Bingley's savings business, worth £20bn, affecting 2.6m customers.
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        Re: B&B to be nationalised then sold.........

        If the mortgage book is 41billion - and there are say 17.5 million house holds - how much on average per household would that be ? My calculator wont cope - just out of interest ?

        Also is a billion a million x million or the usa billion which is 1000 x 1000000 -

        I just cant get my head round the figues of how much the mortgage book is.
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          lol funnily enough i had this discussion with some one yesterday and we couldn't decide how many millions made a billion in this country any more.

          here in the UK a billion is traditionally 1000000000000 (one million million), and in the US it's 1000000000 (one thousand million)


          I think that makes average loan of £23428

          But bllleerrrrghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh could be £2342 average depending


          though think it might be different now lol... Guardian article says we use 1,000 million to be a billion since 1974 ''In 1974, British government statistics adopted the US billion.''
          What happened to the British billion? When did 100,000,000 become accepted as a billion over here? And where does this leave the trillion? | Notes and Queries | guardian.co.uk
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            Re: B&B to be nationalised then sold.........

            Thanks

            I had been having the same discussion here at work and there was confusing as well . But 1000 million makes more sense as they are supposed to be the 8th largest mortgage lender and obviously not all house holders even have mortgages so that would make more sense .

            Its just that the government etc throw these figures up in the air and it would be nice to know whether it is a million times worse that what we think. lol:usa:
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            • #7
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              I liked this comment - mainly cause it made no sense whatsoever to me pmsl

              A billion in mathematics is one million to the power 2, or one million times one million. Bi meaning 2, as in bicycle, bi-plane or even base-2 number (binary numerical system) etc.. A trillion is one million to the power 3, tricycle, triangle, triang - hornby trainset (?). Anyhow, it makes 'sense', which is something Americans lack so let's not follow them more than we need to.
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                Re: B&B to be nationalised then sold.........

                yes in the old days a trillion was a million x billion, or millionx( million xmillion ) I think!

                but if a billion is no longer a billion then this does not apply.

                In other words as a country we all owe a lot of money - but not as much as I thought ( because I was educated in the good old days!)
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