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  • Probate & tenants in common.

    Hoping you can help with a query.

    Background info
    My mother-in-law died about 3 years ago.
    Some time before her demise her husband took advice & changed the ownership of their house from joint tenancy to tenants in common, each becoming seperate owners of 50% of the property. (50% to FIL, 50% to MIL).
    The executor (my wife's older sister) never applied for probate, but has intermeddled by closing MIL's accounts & tranferring monies into FIL's bank account.
    The death has been registered as needed.

    FIL died very recently.
    The same person, my wife's sister, is also named as sole executor for him.
    Everything I've read on the above situation (including Land Registry) seems to state that, where there are tenants in common, probate must be carried out in order to transfer MIL's share of the property to FIL (or his estate).
    But a solicitor my wife contacted has said that probate for MIL is not necessary, but didn't explain further.

    My wife is anxious that her father's affairs are sorted out properly (she was his Lasting Power of Attorney & 24hr carer for his final years).
    Just to clarify, there are no concerns about either MIL's or FIL's (mental) capacity affecting this issue.

    I realise that ultimately it will be the executor's responsibility to make sure this is sorted out correctly.
    But tbh, & honestly not meaning any disrespect, she is not the sharpest chisel in the toolbox.
    I really don't think she realises how complex a situation she faces.

    In conclusion, is formal probate required for MIL's estate?
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  • #2
    my answer is yes. MIL's interest in the house did not pass automatically to FIL on her death, but into her estate.

    What do the 2 wills say about the respective interests in the house?
    Lawyer (solicitor) - retired from practice, now supervising solicitor in a university law clinic. I do not advise by private message.

    Litigants in Person should download and read this: https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/..._in_Person.pdf

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    • #3
      Originally posted by atticus View Post
      my answer is yes. MIL's interest in the house did not pass automatically to FIL on her death, but into her estate.

      What do the 2 wills say about the respective interests in the house?
      Hi ATTICUS.
      I've only seen FIL's will.
      It doesn't mention any specific division of the house.
      It just gives instruction for his estate, which I guess is just for any monies & the like, but will only be relevant to his half of the house,
      It appears to me that, for the time being, the other half which belonged to his wife is in some kind of probate limbo?
      CAVEAT LECTOR

      This is only my opinion - "Opinions are made to be changed --or how is truth to be got at?" (Byron)

      You and I do not see things as they are. We see things as we are.
      Cohen, Herb


      There is danger when a man throws his tongue into high gear before he
      gets his brain a-going.
      Phelps, C. C.


      "They couldn't hit an elephant at this distance!"
      The last words of John Sedgwick

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      • #4
        Yes. You probably won't be able to sell the house without MIL's executor signing.
        Lawyer (solicitor) - retired from practice, now supervising solicitor in a university law clinic. I do not advise by private message.

        Litigants in Person should download and read this: https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/..._in_Person.pdf

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        • #5
          Originally posted by atticus View Post
          Yes. You probably won't be able to sell the house without MIL's executor signing.
          I have now accessed a copy of MIL's will.
          That bequeaths everything of hers to FIL, as he was still alive at the time of her demise.
          But as I've previously stated, everything I've read so far seems to indicate that formal probate of MIL's estate needs to be carried out before Land Registry will transfer her part of the tenancy in common to FIL's estate.
          If that is correct, it makes dealing with FIL's estate much more complicated.
          CAVEAT LECTOR

          This is only my opinion - "Opinions are made to be changed --or how is truth to be got at?" (Byron)

          You and I do not see things as they are. We see things as we are.
          Cohen, Herb


          There is danger when a man throws his tongue into high gear before he
          gets his brain a-going.
          Phelps, C. C.


          "They couldn't hit an elephant at this distance!"
          The last words of John Sedgwick

          Comment


          • #6
            AsI have been trying to indicate, this everything that you have read so far is correct.
            Lawyer (solicitor) - retired from practice, now supervising solicitor in a university law clinic. I do not advise by private message.

            Litigants in Person should download and read this: https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/..._in_Person.pdf

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            • #7
              Originally posted by atticus View Post
              AsI have been trying to indicate, this everything that you have read so far is correct.
              Thank you.
              CAVEAT LECTOR

              This is only my opinion - "Opinions are made to be changed --or how is truth to be got at?" (Byron)

              You and I do not see things as they are. We see things as we are.
              Cohen, Herb


              There is danger when a man throws his tongue into high gear before he
              gets his brain a-going.
              Phelps, C. C.


              "They couldn't hit an elephant at this distance!"
              The last words of John Sedgwick

              Comment

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