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  • British Gas sending 'threats' to a dead person

    Sadly my Mum passed away 22nd Jan 2011. Prior to her death she had been living in a Nursing home as she suffered badly with dementia. Before being admitted to the Nursing Home she lived in a flat, and her gas was supplied by British Gas.

    Mum moved out of her flat in 2006 and her gas supply was switched off (gas was only used for central heating and this would no longer be required). The flat (which Mum part-owned) has still not been sold ... mostly due to 'awkwardness' by the co-owner: a 'retirement property' firm (but that's another story!) The flat is part of a 'sheltered accommodation' complex ... hence access is granted via concierge staff who inhabit a ground floor office.

    The flat has remained empty since 2006. It was cleared of furniture and personal effects that same year.

    Mum received her electricity from Southern ... and I have no quibble with this firm as they have reacted with both sensitivity and professionalism throughout the whole episode. But ... oh my goodness ... as for British Gas!!!

    I 'phoned and informed them of the situation in 2006. Mum's gas bill was, at that time, paid up to date. However, they routinely sent estimated bills to her <empty> flat, plus threatening letters about 'non-payment'. My attempts to explain the situation (again), resulted in estimated bills and threats being sent to MY address! (I am NOT a BG customer!)

    On 12th January 2008 I sent a letter to them via recorded delivery. Once again I explained Mum's situation and I pointed out that their estimated bills were a fiction as no gas at all had been/was being used. I suggested that they should send a 'meter reader' to Mum's flat so that they could see the 'nil gas consumption' reading for themselves. I explained how they could gain access to the empty flat via the concierge ... and in fact I made sure that the concierge staff were aware that it was OK to let a BG meter reader into Mum's flat.

    But this didn't deter BG. They have continued to send 'demands' and 'threats' to Mum's empty property over the years. I visited the flat this weekend as it's now due to be sold, and was amazed to find an enormous gas bill with added costs! Ironically, the bill states that: " If there are any personal circumstances that you think we should be aware of - reasons why you are unable to pay this outstanding bill or why you should not have your supply disconnected - please contact us immediately."

    I 'phoned them this morning and said: "Is being dead a good enough reason for not paying a bill for gas which hasn't been consumed?"

    So what I'd like to know is this.
    In another post a forum member mentioned that: "Claiming that someone owes another money when they don't is a criminal offence under Section 2, Fraud Act 2006 (Fraud by False Misrepresentation). Section 12 of the Act deals with offences committed by companies and the liability of directors, company officers, company secretaries and managers for such offences. Making unwarranted demands of another and using menaces (threats) in order to reinforce those demands is a serious criminal offence under Section 21, Theft Act 1968 (Blackmail)." He also said: "Don't be taken in by any claims that any threats made are made in the belief they had grounds for making them. In reality, the defendant has to first prove they have a right in law to make threats and second they have to prove any threat is a proper means of enforcing a demand."
    ... Please can anyone tell me how I can enforce this Act? Do I go to a solicitor, or the police?

    Sorry this post is so long ... I wanted to get all the relevant facts in.
    Last edited by ZED; 13th February 2012, 11:33:AM. Reason: typo
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    Re: British Gas sending 'threats' to a dead person

    email the CEO of Centrica who are the people who deal with British Gas with the chronology you have given. Explain the situation and they should come up trumps with an apology.

    phil.bentley@centrica.co.uk

    See above for his email.


    EDIT: did you take a reading of the gas meter?
    "Family means that no one gets forgotten or left behind"
    (quote from David Ogden Stiers)

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    • #3
      Re: British Gas sending 'threats' to a dead person

      Hello ZED.

      I see you picked up on one of my posts. In addition to the Protection from Harassment Act 1997, Theft Act 1968 and Fraud Act 2006, there is case law that holds companies liable for any harassment they engage in against customers. Believe it or not, the defendant in that case was, wait for it, British Gas.

      The advice Leclerc has given you should put an end to BG's bills and threats. If it doesn't, come back onto this thread and we'll help you draft the necessary "Back Off Or Else" Letter.

      Bluebottle
      Life is a journey on which we all travel, sometimes together, but never alone.

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      • #4
        Re: British Gas sending 'threats' to a dead person

        Thanks very much leclerc and bluebottle ... I'll email Phil Bentley immediately.

        Am I correct in thinking there's actually a legal obligation for gas supply firms to take their own meter readings every two years or so?

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        • #5
          Re: British Gas sending 'threats' to a dead person

          Hi ZED.

          They're supposed to read meters at least twice a year. If they can't get in to read a meter, they should leave a card for the customer to complete and either submit over the telephone or online. When they read your meter, they also check the meter is working properly. I've recently had this with my mother's house, as she is currently in a nursing house. By law, energy supply companies have to check gas meters annually for safety reasons. If they can't get access, they can get a warrant from the court to enter and carry out the check. Would you let us know what sort of response you receive from Phil Bentley, please?

          Bluebottle
          Life is a journey on which we all travel, sometimes together, but never alone.

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          • #6
            Re: British Gas sending 'threats' to a dead person

            Even when they have received a meter reading from their designated reader, one cannot be certain that one's bill will be accurate.

            At the end of October, my gas meter was read by someone working for E.On; at the start of December, I received an 'overdue bill' demand for over £400. I 'phoned them up, refused to pay and asked why they had 'estimated' the bill when they should have received a meter reading that indicated no gas whatever had been used.

            "Oh yes," came the reply, "We received a reading but we thought it was a mistake so we estimated the quantity of gas you had used. Can you give us an up to date reading so we can change your bill?"

            "I could," I replied, "But I'm not going to caper down two flights of stairs into the cellar to read the meter, because I don't need to do that. The only appliance or device connected to that supply is a gas boiler that has not been lit since the meter was installed, so how could any gas have been used? Do you suppose a methane-breathing fairy might have stolen it from inside the pipes?"

            Idiots.

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            • #7
              Re: British Gas sending 'threats' to a dead person

              Remind them in any letter to them of Ferguson v British Gas tradin limited high court case. Once they know your aware of it they should soon apologise and write off the debt. Might be worht asking a small sum of compensation from them for their harassment (emotional distress) too in the same letter, followed with "if your response is deemed unstatisfactory i reserve the right to begin legal procedings without any further notice".
              Please note that this advice is given informally, without liability and without prejudice. Always seek the advice of an insured qualified professional. All my legal and nonlegal knowledge comes from either here (LB),my own personal research and experience and/or as the result of necessity as an Employer and Businessman.

              By using my advice in any form, you agreed to waive all rights to hold myself or any persons representing myself of any liability.

              If you PM me, make sure to include a link to your thread as I don't give out advice in private. All PMs that are sent in missuse (including but not limited to phishing, spam) of the PM application and/or PMs that are threatening or abusive will be reported to the Site Team and if necessary to the police and/or relevant Authority.

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              • #8
                Re: British Gas sending 'threats' to a dead person

                Originally posted by CleverClogs View Post
                Even when they have received a meter reading from their designated reader, one cannot be certain that one's bill will be accurate.

                At the end of October, my gas meter was read by someone working for E.On; at the start of December, I received an 'overdue bill' demand for over £400. I 'phoned them up, refused to pay and asked why they had 'estimated' the bill when they should have received a meter reading that indicated no gas whatever had been used.

                "Oh yes," came the reply, "We received a reading but we thought it was a mistake so we estimated the quantity of gas you had used. Can you give us an up to date reading so we can change your bill?"

                "I could," I replied, "But I'm not going to caper down two flights of stairs into the cellar to read the meter, because I don't need to do that. The only appliance or device connected to that supply is a gas boiler that has not been lit since the meter was installed, so how could any gas have been used? Do you suppose a methane-breathing fairy might have stolen it from inside the pipes?"

                Idiots.
                That's totally bizarre ... why employ meter readers, only to disregard their readings?!
                Actually similar has happened in my case ... back in 2006 I supplied a reading which indicated "no gas use" and British Gas followed that up with an estimated bill of £168. In fact, they insisted that I would have to supply a further reading when I queried their estimate ... however by then I was in London whilst Mum's meter is in Southport! Hence they began to add 'costs' to the unpaid grossly over-estimated bill, and also added further estimates for the following quarters!
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                Originally posted by teaboy2 View Post
                Remind them in any letter to them of Ferguson v British Gas tradin limited high court case. Once they know your aware of it they should soon apologise and write off the debt. Might be worht asking a small sum of compensation from them for their harassment (emotional distress) too in the same letter, followed with "if your response is deemed unstatisfactory i reserve the right to begin legal procedings without any further notice".
                Thanks teaboy ... I will. In fact they harassed me on Monday ... a 'manager' from customer services phoned me at home wanting to know contents of Mum's will (most specifically, who had inherited her flat). Naturally I refused to divulge any of this info ... but the point is: my phone no. is ex-directory and also registered with TPS: so how dare they pester me about such an emotive subject?
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                NB: No reply from Phil Bentley yet.
                Last edited by ZED; 14th February 2012, 15:21:PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

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                • #9
                  Re: British Gas sending 'threats' to a dead person

                  Hi ZED,

                  Contact the ICO immediately and lodge a formal complaint against BG. You can download a complaint form from their website at Data Protection and Freedom of Information advice - ICO
                  . I would speak to their helpline first. They are, in my experience, very helpful, but can get busy at times.

                  Contacting you on an ex-directory number without proper authority is a breach of the DPA. You were right to tell BG to mind their own business about the contents of your mother's will. Once you've lodged the complaint with ICO, I'd get back to Phil bentley and ask him what the hell is going on when one of his underlings contacted you on an ex-directory number and ask him to explain how they got hold of it. They have to tell you.

                  Let us know how you get on.

                  Bluebottle
                  Life is a journey on which we all travel, sometimes together, but never alone.

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                  • #10
                    Re: British Gas sending 'threats' to a dead person

                    Originally posted by ZED View Post

                    Thanks teaboy ... I will. In fact they harassed me on Monday ... a 'manager' from customer services phoned me at home wanting to know contents of Mum's will (most specifically, who had inherited her flat). Naturally I refused to divulge any of this info ... but the point is: my phone no. is ex-directory and also registered with TPS: so how dare they pester me about such an emotive subject?
                    For a start it is irrelevant as to what is in your mums will because 1 - no money is owed, and 2 - even if it was owed, the person in receipt of any benefit from your mums will would still not owe them anything.

                    Inform them you are taking advise from legal beagles and you have them legally by the ********. (ball sack).
                    Please note that this advice is given informally, without liability and without prejudice. Always seek the advice of an insured qualified professional. All my legal and nonlegal knowledge comes from either here (LB),my own personal research and experience and/or as the result of necessity as an Employer and Businessman.

                    By using my advice in any form, you agreed to waive all rights to hold myself or any persons representing myself of any liability.

                    If you PM me, make sure to include a link to your thread as I don't give out advice in private. All PMs that are sent in missuse (including but not limited to phishing, spam) of the PM application and/or PMs that are threatening or abusive will be reported to the Site Team and if necessary to the police and/or relevant Authority.

                    I AM SO GOING TO GET BANNED BY CEL FOR POSTING terrible humour POSTS.

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                    • #11
                      Re: British Gas sending 'threats' to a dead person

                      Hi All ~

                      I received an email reply this moring ... I'll cut & paste, as other forum members who are tackling British Gas may like to see how my own case has panned out. (Incidentally, I'm not sure what the £39.58 charge relates to, as there was no gas used during the period in question ... however, as they've 'deleted' it, I'll let it go, without argument).

                      Many thanks to all the people on the forum who have helped & supported me with this issue.

                      Bestest,
                      ZED

                      "Thank you for taking the time to contact Phil Bentley regarding the longstanding problems you’ve encountered. I was sorry to learn of the poor service you’ve experienced during what must have been a very difficult time.
                      Mr Bentley is currently away from the office and offers his apologies that he’s unable to reply to you directly. He has however requested that I address your concerns and provide an assurance that the matter has been resolved and you’ll not be further inconvenienced in the future.

                      Having read through your correspondence and the notes associated to your late mothers account, I have found a number of areas where we should have offered a far greater level of assistance. I too have recently lost a loved one and I know what a stressful experience it is, without the added pressures of inappropriate debt letters and unaccommodating customer service staff. You’ll be pleased know that I have retrieved the individual advisor’s details and their managers will be running through your complaint with them on Monday.

                      I’ve spent some time looking at the gas account and it’s clear what needs to be done here. Firstly I have billed the account to date using the last confirmed meter reading we collected, which was 7093 on 6 October 2010. This has produced a balance of £39.58 which I’ve subsequently withdrawn completely, leaving the account with a zero balance.

                      You mention in your email that you’re preparing the house for sale. When the sale has reached completion, please contact me either by email or on 01784 874287 and I’ll arrange that the account be closed down ready for the new owners.

                      Once more I’d like to apologise on behalf of my colleagues who really should have done more.

                      Thank you for bringing this matter to our attention, and please don’t hesitate to get in touch if I can be of further assistance."
                      Yours sincerely
                      Shane Bonney
                      Customer Relations Manager
                      Managing Director’s Office

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                      Edited to remove HTML codes from cut & paste.
                      Last edited by ZED; 17th February 2012, 17:48:PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

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                      • #12
                        Re: British Gas sending 'threats' to a dead person

                        Hi ZED,

                        The £39.58 charge, I would guess, is an accumulation of the Standing Charges for the meter. It is, indeed, refreshing for a firm the size of BG to admit they've let a customer down and do something to redress what they've done.

                        A result. I am sure that all of us at LB are happy that matters have turned out the way they have.
                        Life is a journey on which we all travel, sometimes together, but never alone.

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                        • #13
                          Re: British Gas sending 'threats' to a dead person

                          Thanks bluebottle ... the references to the various Acts etc must have frightened them a lot: but nonetheless I was pleased with the overall tone of the reply.

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                          • #14
                            Re: British Gas sending 'threats' to a dead person

                            Well done ZED - It certainly was a nice reply considering the circumstances.
                            Please note that this advice is given informally, without liability and without prejudice. Always seek the advice of an insured qualified professional. All my legal and nonlegal knowledge comes from either here (LB),my own personal research and experience and/or as the result of necessity as an Employer and Businessman.

                            By using my advice in any form, you agreed to waive all rights to hold myself or any persons representing myself of any liability.

                            If you PM me, make sure to include a link to your thread as I don't give out advice in private. All PMs that are sent in missuse (including but not limited to phishing, spam) of the PM application and/or PMs that are threatening or abusive will be reported to the Site Team and if necessary to the police and/or relevant Authority.

                            I AM SO GOING TO GET BANNED BY CEL FOR POSTING terrible humour POSTS.

                            The Governess; 6th March 2012 GRRRRRR

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