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  • Virgin sends file-sharing warnings to customers

    Virgin Media has begun sending letters of warning to some of its customers saying that artists' lobby group the BPI has evidence of illegal file sharing from their accounts. Virgin, the UK's second largest ISP, is the first to take such action.

    The BPI and other content producers' lobby groups and the Government have urged internet service providers (ISPs) to operate a 'three strikes and you're out' policy to cut off internet access from people found to be engaging in illegal file-sharing.

    The Virgin letters contain no threat of disconnection, but do use a BPI-produced report of alleged illegal file sharing as the basis of the warning to customers to stop the activity.

    "We understand you may be concerned about this, and you might be unsure how it happened," says the letter. "One possible answer is that other people in your household have used your computer and/or internet connection, and they might have shared these files with others by using unauthorised ‘peer-to-peer/P2P’ filesharing networks like ‘BitTorrent’ or ‘Limewire’."
    "However, you need to make sure that these files aren’t downloaded or shared from your Virgin Media internet connection in future," it said.

    Content producing and marketing companies have long complained that ISPs earn fees for internet use that is then used in some cases to download the content industry's material without paying for it. ISPs have traditionally argued that they are not responsible for the use made of their service.

    The French Government, though, last year backed a three-strikes policy for its ISPs and the UK Government has followed suit. Then-intellectual property minister Lord Triesman told industry earlier this year that the Government would begin the process of producing legislation ordering such a system this autumn if the ISP and content industries could not agree how to work together.

    "We want to make sure that our customers are acting fairly and lawfully. So that’s why we’re working with the BPI," said a Virgin Media statement to customers. "We are working with the BPI to contact Virgin Media customers to make them aware of the issues and offer further information to help make sure their enjoyment of music doesn’t damage the copyright holder’s rights."

    The BPI's chief executive Geoff Taylor said that the identifying of individual households where alleged illegal sharing takes place was vital for his industry.
    "It's naive at best to think licensed music services can prosper without action being taken against illegal downloading," he said in a statement, calling the belief that music should be free on the internet "an implausible and dated belief that the internet will be an endless free lunch".

    "More than six and a half million people in the UK illegally access and distribute music, and it is plain wrong to say that this is good for music," he said.

    Virgin told customers that the move would not change its policy of only identifying allegedly offending customers when ordered to by a court.

    "We won’t provide any information about our customers to any third party, including the BPI, unless we are required to do so with a court order. All we’re doing right now is working with the BPI to help our customers understand more about the issues of unlawful file sharing," it said.

    While the current Virgin letters do not threaten account suspension, Taylor said that this is still what the BPI wants from ISPs.

    "We want all ISPs to implement a simple, non-technological solution which involves no spying on their customers or invasions of privacy. We call it three steps," he said. "We collect and pass on to the ISP publically available information about their customers' illegal filesharing, and ask them to send advisory letters as outlined above. The possibility of account suspension, and the ultimate sanction of contract cancellation, should follow for those customers who choose not to take the advice."

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    Virgin admits disconnection threat mistake

    Virgin Media has said that a threat sent out to 800 of its customers that they could be disconnected from the internet because of alleged copyright infringement was a mistake.

    The envelope containing a letter warning subscribers that their account was being used for illegal file-sharing was printed with the words "Important. If you don't read this, your broadband could be disconnected".

    A Virgin Media spokeswoman said "We are not accusing our customers of doing anything, we are alerting them to the fact that illegal file sharing has been tracked to their account. This could have been someone else in the house or an unsecured wireless network. This is an education campaign," she said.

    The company has shared information with music rights holders' group the BPI in order to identify accounts which may have been used for copyright-infringing file sharing. The spokeswoman said, though, that no names or addresses were passed to the BPI and that it had been responsible for the envelope, a mistake that it was "rectifying immediately".

    France is implementing a policy of forcing ISPs to disconnect copyright infringing users after three warnings and the UK Government has expressed its intention to legislate along similar lines if ISPs and content owners cannot agree a way of clamping down on infringement.

    Virgin is the UK's third biggest ISP and the first to co-operate with the BPI on the sending of letters to people whose accounts have allegedly been used for illegal file-sharing.

    Virgin claims that the letters are merely intended to educate subscribers about alleged use of their accounts so that they can find out what the source of illegal file-sharing might be.

    The BPI, though, has said that it wants ISPs to begin a campaign of suspensions. Chief executive Geoff Taylor said in a statement last month that the BPI wanted ISPs to act.

    "We want all ISPs to implement a simple, non-technological solution which involves no spying on their customers or invasions of privacy. We call it three steps," he said. "We collect and pass on to the ISP publicly available information about their customers' illegal filesharing, and ask them to send advisory letters as outlined above. The possibility of account suspension, and the ultimate sanction of contract cancellation, should follow for those customers who choose not to take the advice."

    Content producing companies and producers' representative bodies have long argued that ISPs make money from piracy by charging fees for internet access that is then used to pirate their content.

    ISPs in turn have argued that they have no role in what a user does with an internet connection just as a postal service has no role in monitoring or governing what a letter or package contains.

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    • #3
      Re: Virgin sends file-sharing warnings to customers

      DPA breach if not in contract.

      Moreover, wouldn't be a problem if the record and music industry didn't pay ridiculous money to substandard so called musicians and then charges stupid sums for a 1p CD.

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      • #4
        Re: Virgin sends file-sharing warnings to customers

        Haven't they set up those tracky things that tell the ISP all the sites you look at now too ?
        #staysafestayhome

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        • #5
          Re: Virgin sends file-sharing warnings to customers

          Ame, you mean Phorm ?

          Spyware we don't want no damn spyware.
          Gets in the way of my fun

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          • #6
            Re: Virgin sends file-sharing warnings to customers

            Yes Phorm. I think its crap cause i know i'm a curious little bugger and would rather the whole world doesn't know what i might be getting up to outside of LB. pmsl.

            Was reading a few articles about people getting fined for downloading stuff off torrents etc, and seeding back. If you do download then be careful you switch the seed bit off once you have it cause that seems to be how people get tracked (sorry if wrong terms there)
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            • #7
              Re: Virgin sends file-sharing warnings to customers

              Also bear in mind that alot of torrents are now sent encrypted, so while the ISP can see the traffic they have NO idea what it is.
              Problem with turning off seeding is it flies in the face of what P2P stands for, you become a great big LEACH. Taking everything and giving nothing. This kind of activity will get your IP banned from most private trackers.

              Admittedly for the casual file sharers there is little to worry about, but for others greater steps need to be taken.
              If you want to make some attempt at minimising your exposure to P2P "spying" then a great little app is Phoenix Labs PeerGuardian 2 , alledgedly

              Of course I couldn't possibly comment on this issue due to legal reasons.

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