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Ebay, Gumtree & Autotrader Vehicle / Car Scams

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  • Re: Ebay & Gumtree Vehicle / Car Scams

    I hold banks accountable to a greater extent than I do anyone else, simply because I, and the FCA, expect a greater standard of competence and probity from them. However I am particularly shocked by the advert in my last post simply because a member of the public. I presume, has paid to post an advert at no little cost and, through no fault of his own, has had it re-posted for something like half the price by someone else, on the face of it by a dealer, though we know this isn't the case. Fat waste of money that was.

    It is quite an extraordinary example demonstrating that the site is something of a shambles, which is putting it nicely. In actual fact the truth is that the paying client is getting a poor deal compared with the criminals who appear able to roam freely rearranging the adverts as they please free of charge for the purpose of stealing money from unwitting buyers and disrupting anyone's attempt to make a sale.

    I'm not uncritical of banks because, if there weren't an oversupply of bank accounts set up by criminals to launder the stolen money, this fraud simply wouldn't exist and there'd be no point hackers messing with adverts. Most frauds rely on a combination of procedural lapses to succeed and those in ad sites and banks have led to the formation of what is ostensibly an international criminal industry, which is nothing short of astounding. To discover victims on the opposite side of the globe having their stolen funds routed through a UK bank of which they may be unaware is incredible.

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    • Re: Ebay & Gumtree Vehicle / Car Scams

      As I have said I keep an eye out for all news reports on fraud and keep links to anything interesting, not just those relating to vehicle advert scams as they may be relevant in revealing widespread failings and problems.

      Today

      http://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/11475580._/?

      MP calls for crackdown on bank scam after helping Selby couple recover their life savings
      This relates to what has become known as 'courier fraud' where a victim is phoned and persuaded to perform one or more actions that reveal their security details or transfer money to a fraudster's account using various pretexts. The common problem with vehicle scam adverts is the use of these widely set up bank accounts for use in money laundering.

      This comment is pertinent.

      He said he had met with bank fraud prevention experts to understand the intricate details of the scam and was not satisfied everything possible was being done to protect people.
      I'll post a copy of this item in the thread relating to making a submission to the FCA as the backing of an MP would be useful and my concern, that no one has seriously raised, is where these criminals are getting contact details for victims from. The fraudsters don't just require random contact details, but those for the elderly, and they seem able to do this with ease. There could be various sources for this information but I have come across examples where the criminals have known details of the victim's last bank statement and there's one place that comes from, having excluded every other possibility.

      If these frauds are taking place due to breaches from within banks own data systems the, irrespective of the victim's actions, they should be reimbursed by the bank. The problem is that the only people who know this are the bank, unless the victims can recall what information the criminal knew about them. It won't have crossed the mind of most victims that this could happen.

      I'll try and contact the MP.

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      • Re: Ebay & Gumtree Vehicle / Car Scams

        A couple of news stories today that I feel are pertinent.

        http://www.policeoracle.com/news/Inv.../-_85499.html?

        Fraud investigations dwarf number of reported cases

        Calls for more funding to combat white collar crime as government weighs up whether to introduce new law to hold corporations to account.
        Undoubtedly the amount of fraud is spiralling out of control and the whole structure of payment systems is making life easier for the fraudster. To my annoyance my bank have included a contactless payment ability into my payment card though I didn't ask for it and don't want it. This is typical of the arrogance of banks and demonstrates their ability to strong arm the public into taking their products whether they like it or not and they've got themselves into deep water doing this in the past. Any belief that government will introduce legislation to make corporations more responsible is wishful thinking.

        I love this from the leaflet that came with the card. "When you make your very first contactless transaction you may be asked to enter your PIN or sign."

        What do they mean 'may' ? Don't they know or is the system one in which the rules are variable. The underlying problem with this type of system is that the user has no hard copy of transactions to act as a record or to check what they've paid for and to whom ?

        http://www.finextra.com/News/fullsto...9&topic=retail

        The New York Attorney General's office has charged five individuals, including three bank tellers, with running an identity-theft ring that stole $850,000 from some of New York's biggest banks over a four-year period.
        Though this is a US story there have been plenty of UK examples and it demonstrates, as the US District Attorney states

        Bank tellers have access to our most sensitive financial information and we must be able to trust that our data will remain safe and secure.
        … and this doesn't just apply to tellers/cashiers. Call centre staff have the same access to customers identity and security information. Even before I retired that information was available to temporary staff employed through employment agencies.

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        • Re: Ebay & Gumtree Vehicle / Car Scams

          I have almost become a " victim" but as a seller.
          We put a car on Autotrader and today got an e mail responce.
          This was supposed to be from someone caling them selves " Thomas Bradbury."
          Something about the enquiry wasn't right ( thanks to LB I knew what to look for)
          I reported it to Autotrader and they have confirmed it was a scam.
          Never give up, Never surrender.

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          • Re: Ebay & Gumtree Vehicle / Car Scams

            May I ask you to detail what form the scam attempt took dogtired ? I can probably guess, though there are several variations running but it would be helpful to other readers of the forum. If you have a message you have received you can edit out your personal details and copy it in to the forum, and it's always useful to know what email addresses the scammers are using.

            In this form of scam it's likely that they're using the exact same message and wording to hundreds of targets.

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            • Re: Ebay & Gumtree Vehicle / Car Scams

              Sorry I deleted it and they used an e mail via Auto Trader( with a membership number)
              It said,
              Hi there, I have seen your car and am very intrested, please let me know full details, including photos.
              I replied saying that all relevant details were in the ad and if they wished to know more they should phone instead ( as you know Auto Trader also use replacement numbers.)
              I then got another reply,again asking for more details snd my real e mail address.
              Alarm bells were ringing due to the wording and spelling so I replied again thathAuto Trader recommended that you do not give away your e mail.
              I then reported it to the spam team and they confirmed it was a scam.It pays to be vigilant!
              Last edited by dogtired; 17th September 2014, 17:50:PM.
              Never give up, Never surrender.

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              • Re: Ebay & Gumtree Vehicle / Car Scams

                The scammers' have been very active on Autotrader UK tonight with at least 5 hacked dealer pages and a bunch of single adverts too.

                This inserted text on one dealer sites is interesting.

                OUT OF OFFICE! THIS IS A PRIVATE SALE! FOR MORE DETAILS PLEASE USE THE CONTACT FORM IN THIS ADVERT!
                It seems that the scammers would like to insert 'active' links in Autotrader UK adverts as they do on eBay, and as they have attempted before in the example I posted earlier, but they don't appear to have cottoned on to the fact that they can't do it. Alternatively it may be that the one doing the fraudulent advert insertion doesn't properly understand what he's doing. The instruction won't hook any victims.

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                • Re: Ebay & Gumtree Vehicle / Car Scams

                  Another scam transport site: Freightlink Transport Limited http://flinktrans.com

                  Identical layout to Gillera Transport, Taran Transport, etc.

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                  • Re: Ebay & Gumtree Vehicle / Car Scams

                    Found that the reply from the scam team contained original enquiry, will try and edit it and post later.
                    Never give up, Never surrender.

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                    • Re: Ebay & Gumtree Vehicle / Car Scams

                      e mail1.pdf
                      e mail2.pdf
                      e mail3.pdf

                      These are the e mails, in slightly the wrong order have removed my details.
                      Never give up, Never surrender.

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                      • Re: Ebay & Gumtree Vehicle / Car Scams

                        http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/a...?#.VB9ephbgXwI


                        2014 Monday 22ND SEP

                        A national court judge charged nine people with fraud yesterday for allegedly participating in the theft of £27.6 million after a bank’s card payments system was hacked.
                        Seven Romanian and two Spanish suspects allegedly extracted money fraudulently from cash machines in February 2013.
                        Judge Eloy Velasco said that there was evidence that the suspects belonged to an international criminal organisation that also laundered money and took part in credit card fraud.

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                        • Re: Ebay & Gumtree Vehicle / Car Scams

                          We are already aware that the banks' and authorities' attitude to individual victims of this type of fraud involving bank accounts involved in money laundering and fraud is thinly disguised indifference but, as I have frequently warned, these bank accounts are the fundamental building blocks to much more substantial frauds performed against financial institutions themselves.

                          As an example of one obvious opportunity, that I have previously mentioned, I refer to a recent news story and a report of legal proceedings.

                          http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/Le...il/story.html?

                          Leicester man who helped launder cash from £2 million fraud has appeal against jail sentence rejected
                          http://www.thelawpages.com/court-cas...ni-12910-1.law

                          The judge said. "The was a well-planned , professional exercise in laundering criminal money obtained through a series of mortgage frauds involving two corrupt solicitors who have disappeared, probably overseas … the two corrupt solicitors were used to disguise the dirty money and allay suspicions of the banks … the total amount was approximately £2 million"
                          You have to be a little smarter than the average scammer to set this up and it requires a little more preparation, but when you consider the money to be made, it's well worth the effort required. The report states that the perpetrators escaped and presumably with the money, which will have been a loss to the financial institutions(s) granting the mortgages.

                          One might wonder why the bank involved in receiving the funds didn't make enquiries because 'Know Your Customer' procedures apply just as much to companies as to individuals, if not moreso.

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                          • Re: Ebay & Gumtree Vehicle / Car Scams

                            Bank Name: TSB
                            Account number: 14877668
                            Sort code: 77-71-49
                            Beneficiary Name: Leonardo Ventura Pedro


                            Scam bank account
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                            • Re: Ebay & Gumtree Vehicle / Car Scams



                              Dear xxxxxxx,
                              Thanks for using PayPal.
                              The seller has requested the payment through PayPal and we offered to cover all the risks for you and the seller.
                              It is our responsibility to inform Buyers about our Sellers. You are dealing with a verified PayPal member, protected by our PayPal services such as insurance and dispute resolution, and you may buy and sell with confidence in all eBay transactions with this seller.


                              You should proceed accordingly to complete the transaction in a safe manner.

                              The following is a notice from PayPal Trust & Safety Department regarding:


                              Item Title - 2013 Yamaha YZF R-125 3000 Miles
                              Item Number - 140785144711
                              Item Price - £1,500.00

                              Buy safely using eBay's Buyer Protection Program
                              This vehicle is eligible for up to £10,000 in Buyer Protection when your transaction is completed through PayPal
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                              The Buyer receives the vehicle and has 5-7 (five-seven) business days to inspect it. The inspection period will not begin until PayPal has confirmed delivery of the vehicle by either Buyer’s or shipper’s notification.

                              5. If he refuses it a full refund is immediately sent to the Buyer if the reason that determined the Buyer not to keep the vehicle is strictly related to the vehicle's condition i.e (different from what the seller has advertised, described and agreed to sell to you).
                              The Seller will have the obligation to make all necessary arrangements in order to take the vehicle from Buyer’s possession in maximum 3 (three) business days.
                              If the vehicle and documentation are as advertised, described and agreed, the Buyer should accept it. If the Buyer accepts the vehicle, the payment will be sent to the Seller within 3 (three) business days.
                              How to proceed from this moment?
                              The conventional method of transferring funds to a PayPal member cannot be used due to the large amount that must be paid.
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                              Protecting the security of your payment is our primary concern.
                              PayPal representative Bank account* : Payment details:
                              Bank Name: TSB
                              Account number: 14877668
                              Sort code: 77-71-49
                              Beneficiary Name: Leonardo Ventura Pedro


                              *Bacs, CHAPS and Faster Payments are accepted.

                              Invoice#: 45294244
                              Subtotal: £1,500.00
                              Shipping(Free): £0.00

                              Deposit: £0.00

                              Total: £1,500.00
                              Consult your bank or financial institution for more information on how to complete a bank transfer. Please note that it is extremely important to use the exact details of the account. The beneficiary name must be as written above. Include "45294244" on the "reference" field of the bank transfer instructions. Failure to use the exact information as stated above will result in your bank transfer being returned to you at your own expense.
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                              * Do not disclose any information related to your PayPal purchase agreement to any third parties (i.e 1. your seller, 2. your bank)
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                              2. The actual reason the bank transfer is to be sent to your assigned representative.
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                              Once you transfer the payment to your assigned PayPal representative bank account as per the instructions and non-disclosure agreement above all your money will be fully guaranteed and fully protected.

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                              • Re: Ebay & Gumtree Vehicle / Car Scams

                                I can't find the listing - have ebay stopped caching ?

                                Item Title - 2013 Yamaha YZF R-125 3000 Miles
                                Item Number - 140785144711
                                Item Price - £1,500.00
                                #staysafestayhome

                                Any support I provide is offered without liability, if you are unsure please seek professional legal guidance.

                                Received a Court Claim? Read >>>>> First Steps

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