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  • #16
    Re: Ticket from CEL

    Go to popla website and add



    I wish to make further submissions in support of my appeal sent previously.

    The protection of freedoms act 2012 schedule 4 allows the opportunity for parking companies liable for the actions of the driver but only if full compliance is achieved. In the case of an ANPR situation compliance with section 9 is required.

    Right to claim unpaid parking charges from keeper of vehicle


    4(1)The creditor has the right to recover any unpaid parking charges from the keeper of the vehicle.
    (2)The right under this paragraph applies only if—
    (a)the conditions specified in paragraphs 5, 6, 11 and 12 (so far as applicable) are met ....

    6(1)The second condition is that the creditor (or a person acting for or on behalf of the creditor)—


    (b)has given a notice to keeper in accordance with paragraph 9.


    9(1)A notice which is to be relied on as a notice to keeper for the purposes of paragraph 6(1)(b) is given in accordance with this paragraph if the following requirements are met.
    (2)The notice must—
    (a)specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;
    (b)inform the keeper that the driver is required to pay parking charges in respect of the specified period of parking and that the parking charges have not been paid in full;
    (c)describe the parking charges due from the driver as at the end of that period, the circumstances in which the requirement to pay them arose (including the means by which the requirement was brought to the attention of drivers) and the other facts that made them payable;
    (d)specify the total amount of those parking charges that are unpaid, as at a time which is—
    (i)specified in the notice; and
    (ii)no later than the end of the day before the day on which the notice is either sent by post or, as the case may be, handed to or left at a current address for service for the keeper (see sub-paragraph (4));
    (e)state that the creditor does not know both the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver and invite the keeper—
    (i)to pay the unpaid parking charges; or
    (ii)if the keeper was not the driver of the vehicle, to notify the creditor of the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver and to pass the notice on to the driver;
    (f)warn the keeper that if, after the period of 28 days beginning with the day after that on which the notice is given—
    (i)the amount of the unpaid parking charges specified under paragraph (d) has not been paid in full, and
    (ii)the creditor does not know both the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver,the creditor will (if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met) have the right to recover from the keeper so much of that amount as remains unpaid;
    (g)inform the keeper of any discount offered for prompt payment and the arrangements for the resolution of disputes or complaints that are available;
    (h)identify the creditor and specify how and to whom payment or notification to the creditor may be made;
    (i)specify the date on which the notice is sent (where it is sent by post) or given (in any other case).
    (3)The notice must relate only to a single period of parking specified under sub-paragraph (2)(a) (but this does not prevent the giving of separate notices which each specify different parts of a single period of parking).
    (4)The notice must be given by—
    (a)handing it to the keeper, or leaving it at a current address for service for the keeper, within the relevant period; or
    (b)sending it by post to a current address for service for the keeper so that it is delivered to that address within the relevant period.
    (5)The relevant period for the purposes of sub-paragraph (4) is the period of 14 days beginning with the day after that on which the specified period of parking ended.
    (6)A notice sent by post is to be presumed, unless the contrary is proved, to have been delivered (and so “given” for the purposes of sub-paragraph (4)) on the second working day after the day on which it is posted; and for this purpose “working day” means any day other than a Saturday, Sunday or a public holiday in England and Wales.
    (7)When the notice is given it must be accompanied by any evidence prescribed under paragraph 10.
    (8)In sub-paragraph (2)(g) the reference to arrangements for the resolution of disputes or complaints includes—
    (a)any procedures offered by the creditor for dealing informally with representations by the keeper about the notice or any matter contained in it; and
    (b)any arrangements under which disputes or complaints (however described) may be referred by the keeper to independent adjudication or arbitration.






    The notice to keeper does not specify a period of parking. The notice merely indicates a time of entry in to the car park and an exit time from the car park. The BPA code of practice makes reference to the fact that entry is not parking and dictates a grace period must be allowed partly for this very reason. As the keeper is not the person who was driving the keeper cannot know what the period of parking is and the legislation dictates it must be specified, presumably for that very reason. In Woodchester v Swayne & Co [1998] EWCA Civ 1209 (14 July 1998) it was held that the specified information required to be provided by legislation should indeed be accurate and that the failure made the relevant notice invalid. It was also the deciding factor in Parking Eye v Mrs X Case No: 3JD08399 IN THE ALTRINCHAM COUNTY COURT.
    http://nebula.wsimg.com/c289944f81b4...&alloworigin=1

    Sections E & F has not been complied with at all. Other sections are not totally complied with either. The keeper is not invited to pay.



    The operator may suggest that the charge is commercially Justified in line with ParkingEye v Beavis however as explained in Beavis this was for a contract where the operator paid £1000 per week which is not the case here.





    M1

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    • #17
      Re: Ticket from CEL

      I am not sure how this helps as they know I am the keeper and was the driver.

      Their signage states ' if your vehicle remains in the car park for longer than the time paid for you will will be charged £100'

      My issue is that I paid 90p , 50p lost in machine 1 and 40p in machine 2 for which I have a ticket.

      Therefore i have paid more than enough for the time parked and they have failed to acknowledge or repudiate my claim .

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      • #18
        Re: Ticket from CEL

        Oh yeah i forgot it was a driver known. Not much else to do then.

        M1

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        • #19
          Re: Ticket from CEL

          Is there any point in asking case to be set aside waiting for ParkingEye v Beavis supreme court case or just sit tight and see what POPLA result is and go from there?

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          • #20
            Re: Ticket from CEL

            You could do that but i'm not sure they will. I'd be tempted to roll the dice.

            M1

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            • #21
              Re: Ticket from CEL

              Many thanks M1

              Lets wait and see what happens

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              • #22
                Re: Ticket from CEL

                Hi M1

                Delighted to report another success

                Popla decision through and appeal allowed

                CEL failed to provide proof of contract between them and land owner.

                Many thanks for all your help - you are a star

                Cheers

                MO22

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