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  • Help needed popla appeal - Won

    Hello there,

    I received a parking charge from UKPC I sent the following letter to them as I had no idea that there was a time limit I thought you were ok to park there as long as you used the shops/restuarant there, so after much looking around on the net, i sent them this letter which was a template of someone else and added my own bits in, it was very dark and raining on the night, I have since seen a sign that states 3 hours parking but i have never seen this before as its as you drive in but as a driver you are looking at the road not the signs, we were over 3 hours as the restaurant didn't sit us down for 2 hours as they were a new restaurant and didn't really know what they were doing, we've bent the restaurant who said we should have left when the time was up, although we didn't know there was a time limit so we wouldn't have done

    anyway here was the email i sent back

    I deny all liability for this charge, I was in the carpark for the amount of time stated due to the restaurant we visited on the land not attending to our table for over 2 hours due to their incompetence and busy-ness


    when I parked up I was not aware I was entering any contract wth anyone for parking, you state the terms are clearly and prominently displayed if it was I would have seen it and would not have breached it , which I did not and was not aware of any contract so do not feel that I have breached the terms and condition as stated in your letter,
    You also state that I Agreed to these terms when I parked on the private land, I did not see anything to say the terms and condition for parking, as you can see in the photo It was a very a dark night and was pouring with rain , I have no idea where these terms and conditions are prominently displayed and stated that I have breached, When i Parked I was not aware of any Maximum stay times as there was nothing to state this where I parked or anywhere near that I noticed and would not have breached them if I had known.


    I feel The fee being charged contravenes the Unfair Contract Terms Act 1997, it’s excessive and is not a genuine pre estimation of loss. May I point out that for your claim to succeed you would need to prove that it’s a genuine pre estimation of loss. We both know that it’s not the purpose of civil contracts to punish or penalise as this is the role of criminal law.


    In addition and since this is a free car park I do not believe that neither you nor the landowner has suffered any loss whatsoever as the car park was very quiet with hardly any cars on it, and even if you had you would need to convince a judge that you are entitled to bring a claim for this amount.


    please can you either


    Cancel the charge forthwith or Issue me with a POPLA code in accordance with the BPA’s code of practice.



    I have just received back the attachment letter, i have a POPLA CODE, just wondered if anyone with more experience could help me as it seems a huge maze out there with all this and I want to get it right, Many thanks in advance :-)
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  • #2
    Re: Help needed popla appeal

    Commercially sensitive - lol.

    Do you have the original notice and/or pictures of the signs ?

    M1

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    • #3
      Re: Help needed popla appeal

      thank you so much for your quick reply, I haven't got a photo of the sign but i can get it tomorrow or monday if needs be, but heres the original letter I felt i rushed in the first email to them and just did a copy of someone else letters, and should have posted here first for advice,

      Thankyou so much
      Last edited by lo1982uk; 3rd February 2015, 12:05:PM.

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      • #4
        Re: Help needed popla appeal

        just found this on google earth but have never seen this sign other than when i was looking for it when I have been driving i have never noticed it
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        • #5
          Re: Help needed popla appeal

          the sign i have seen and shown you on google earth is as you come off a little roundabout but even though it is signposted neither me nor my husband or anyone else we have spoken to knew it was a 3 hours stay!
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          • #6
            Re: Help needed popla appeal

            it hard to see on here but i can't get any closer but i was parked on this parking area i have zoomed in and cannot see any signs about parking condition here at all that are clear
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            • #7
              Re: Help needed popla appeal

              on looking again I can see a yellow sign to the left hand side on a pole which is obviously a parking sign but i was parked on the other side just on the right on this photo and it was pitch black and pouring with rain,

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              • #8
                Re: Help needed popla appeal

                I was parked in the middle where i have circled and I can see 2 signs either side which i have circled but not at the bit i was parked , not sure if this will help you with any advice to me, ha ha just wanted to show you all the info i could get thanks :-)
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                • #9
                  Re: Help needed popla appeal

                  Well the signage doesn't look like it will yield any particular issues other than being unlit in dark conditions and sandwiched in between 2 other signs. I'd still get a copy if possible.

                  Yours will be similar to http://www.legalbeagles.info/forums/...492#post503492 with a few tweaks.

                  M1

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                  • #10
                    Re: Help needed popla appeal

                    Originally posted by mystery1 View Post
                    Well the signage doesn't look like it will yield any particular issues other than being unlit in dark conditions and sandwiched in between 2 other signs. I'd still get a copy if possible.

                    Yours will be similar to http://www.legalbeagles.info/forums/...492#post503492 with a few tweaks.

                    M1
                    Thankyou so much for your reply will get it all copied, and will tweek it to my circumstances, will let you know the outcome thank you so much for your help , I really appreciate it!! Ok i will get to the signs tomorrow or monady and have a photo took of them :-)

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                    • #11
                      Re: Help needed popla appeal

                      Post it up so i can have a peek if you want

                      M1

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                      • #12
                        Re: Help needed popla appeal

                        yayyyyyy won!!!! thanks so so so so much!!!! Strangely enough it was on the fact that it was dark and the UKPC sent in photos to prove the signage in broad daylight, they have said that they haven't proven that the signs are lit up at night time, so they feel I wasn't aware of the breach of the terms and conditions due to the fact that on the picture of my car it was obviously very dark and raining

                        woohooo

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                        • #13
                          Re: Help needed popla appeal

                          i also sent in the photos of the fact there was no signs directly where i parked, UKPC sent in loads of evidence, contracts and loads and loads of photos as evidence, i can't believe I've beaten them!!!! yay no more parking charges now!! ha ha

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                          • #14
                            Re: Help needed popla appeal

                            Congratulations xx
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