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PCN dispute - not the keeper OR the driver

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  • PCN dispute - not the keeper OR the driver

    Hope people can help with this. Back in 2011 someone I was having lunch with got a PCN while parked at a small retail park. It seemed an error, so we queried it with the attendant who said we should contact the firm via email and attach a scan of a receipt (proving we had used the park) as evidence. As I had access to a scanner, I offered to send the email (assuming this would solve the problem). To my disappointment the firm said the attendant was wrong, and the charge remained. But bizarrely because I had emailed them they then pursued ME for the PCN - it seems they never got round to contacting the DVLA to get details of the registered keeper. At the time the advice on sites like this was to ignore unreasonable PCNs, so I did.

    Today I received a letter from the collection agency to whom they have handed over my case, so I rang them to explain the situation. They said the only way to avoid having to pay would be for me to 'prove' I was not the registered keeper, by telling them who the registered keeper actually was. I'm not inclined to do this, and I can't see I have any legal obligation to do so. The fact they assumed I was the driver/keeper back in 2011 was an error on their part, not a deception on the part of myself or the keeper/ driver.

    The other odd elements of this case are that a) they appear not to have treated my email as an appeal, and b) the person who to whom they should have been writing has had no opportunity to appeal.

    I'm assuming if this ends up in the Country Court it will get thrown out on the basis that, self-evidently, I am not the 'defendant'. But I'm slightly spooked by the idea that I have to go out of my way to prove this and/or will be viewed as having some liability for not having gone out of my way to correct the firm's failure to follow it's own process. Any thoughts?
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    Re: PCN dispute - not the keeper OR the driver

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      Re: PCN dispute - not the keeper OR the driver

      Too funny.

      Sadly all you can do is tell them you are not liable and to contact the driver, whom you rightly won't name. You could keep evidence and if they keep at you you may have a case for harassment. Any cause of action for them becomes statute barred after 6 years.

      Any court case is bound to fail as you put them to proof that you were the driver/keeper which they can't do because you weren't.

      Your pal should be on the bell for a while since you are stopping them getting grief

      M1

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        Re: PCN dispute - not the keeper OR the driver

        Much appreciated! Just for my pal's peace of mind, since the firm got it completely wrong back in 2011, would it be reasonable to assume they are NOT entitled to issue a fresh PCN, directed to the registered keeper? Or if they are allowed to do so, would my pal be entitled to appeal it since (for him) it would be the first opportunity to do so? Logically the case would have to go all the way back to the firm, as it would clearly be unreasonable for him to be dealing with the debt collector!

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        • #5
          Re: PCN dispute - not the keeper OR the driver

          Keeper liability started in October 2012. They'd need the drivers details for a court claim. Let them whistle in the wind since they've been told it wasn't you.

          M1

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