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  • Will this blurred image stand up in court?

    Hi all,
    The defendant received a CCBC letter due to an unpaid parking fine in 2018.

    The images on the claimants web portal show the defendants car parked not in a dedicated bay, but along the edge of a pavement with no yellow/ered lines etc.

    The image of the terms and conditions on their portal is completely blurred where it cannot be read at all, it is also dusk and non illuminated.

    Image below;
    https://ibb.co/vdbt1Dg

    The car park has since been completely redesigned with completely different and new parking signs so the defendant is unable to see what the terms and conditions were back in 2018.

    Does the defendant have a leg to stand on

    Thankyou for your time
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  • #2
    Originally posted by j22key View Post
    Hi all,
    The defendant received a CCBC letter due to an unpaid parking fine in 2018.

    The images on the claimants web portal show the defendants car parked not in a dedicated bay, but along the edge of a pavement with no yellow/ered lines etc.

    The image of the terms and conditions on their portal is completely blurred where it cannot be read at all, it is also dusk and non illuminated.

    Image below;
    https://ibb.co/vdbt1Dg

    The car park has since been completely redesigned with completely different and new parking signs so the defendant is unable to see what the terms and conditions were back in 2018.

    Does the defendant have a leg to stand on

    Thankyou for your time
    That photo will not be sufficiently legible for court purposes, but they are likely to supplement their evidence with stock photos of signage.
    Maxim of equity.
    "Vigilantibus non dormientibus aequitas subvenit."
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxims_of_equity
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    • #3
      What does that mean, and how does it help the OP?
      Lawyer (solicitor) - retired from practice, now supervising solicitor in a university law clinic. I do not advise by private message.

      Litigants in Person should download and read the Judiciary's handbook for litigants in person: https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/..._in_Person.pdf

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      • #4
        Originally posted by atticus View Post
        What does that mean,

        It's in the link provided


        and how does it help the OP?

        Shield (not sword).

        Laches also.

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        Last edited by charitynjw; 28th February 2023, 09:34:AM.
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        This is only my opinion - "Opinions are made to be changed --or how is truth to be got at?" (Byron)

        You and I do not see things as they are. We see things as we are.
        Cohen, Herb


        There is danger when a man throws his tongue into high gear before he
        gets his brain a-going.
        Phelps, C. C.


        "They couldn't hit an elephant at this distance!"
        The last words of John Sedgwick

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        • #5
          Vigilantibus non dormientibus aequitas subvenit

          Not that quoting maxims of Equity will help. And this has nothing to do with laches.
          Lawyer (solicitor) - retired from practice, now supervising solicitor in a university law clinic. I do not advise by private message.

          Litigants in Person should download and read the Judiciary's handbook for litigants in person: https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/..._in_Person.pdf

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          • #6
            Originally posted by atticus View Post
            Vigilantibus non dormientibus aequitas subvenit

            Not that quoting maxims of Equity will help. And this has nothing to do with laches.
            Why would a 4/5 year old parking charge not have anything to do with laches?
            The signage may have changed in the interim...the same parking co might not even be still operating there.
            & is the court not one of equity as well as common law?
            CAVEAT LECTOR

            This is only my opinion - "Opinions are made to be changed --or how is truth to be got at?" (Byron)

            You and I do not see things as they are. We see things as we are.
            Cohen, Herb


            There is danger when a man throws his tongue into high gear before he
            gets his brain a-going.
            Phelps, C. C.


            "They couldn't hit an elephant at this distance!"
            The last words of John Sedgwick

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            • #7
              For a start, it is within the limitation period for claims. This will be put as a contract case, and will be decided as one, subject also to any points under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2014.
              Lawyer (solicitor) - retired from practice, now supervising solicitor in a university law clinic. I do not advise by private message.

              Litigants in Person should download and read the Judiciary's handbook for litigants in person: https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/..._in_Person.pdf

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              • #8
                Originally posted by atticus View Post
                For a start, it is within the limitation period for claims. This will be put as a contract case, and will be decided as one, subject also to any points under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2014.
                2012.

                Yes, but they have sat on it for years after the accrual date.
                At the very least, they shouldn't be allowed to accumulate years of interest....but bet your life they'll try.
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                This is only my opinion - "Opinions are made to be changed --or how is truth to be got at?" (Byron)

                You and I do not see things as they are. We see things as we are.
                Cohen, Herb


                There is danger when a man throws his tongue into high gear before he
                gets his brain a-going.
                Phelps, C. C.


                "They couldn't hit an elephant at this distance!"
                The last words of John Sedgwick

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                • #9
                  Yes, you are quite right. Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, sorry.
                  Lawyer (solicitor) - retired from practice, now supervising solicitor in a university law clinic. I do not advise by private message.

                  Litigants in Person should download and read the Judiciary's handbook for litigants in person: https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/..._in_Person.pdf

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                  • #10
                    Thankyou for the replies! - they are really appreciated
                    The defendant has sent in the defense via email to CCBC & the claimants legal team stating that the signage within the online portal is too blurry to read, not illuminated and that the only part of the image that is readable is 'CUSTOMERS OF MERRY HILL SHOPPING CENTER ONLY'

                    I'm assuming it's just a waiting game now to see what they come back with...

                    Unfortunately or not, the car park has been completely renovated with new & different signage - so unable to actually see the terms and conditions even if a visit to the site was possible.

                    Hopefully this gets thrown out, but would they require a witness statement before anything is thrown out anyway?

                    Thanks again




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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by j22key View Post
                      Thankyou for the replies! - they are really appreciated
                      The defendant has sent in the defense via email to CCBC & the claimants legal team stating that the signage within the online portal is too blurry to read, not illuminated and that the only part of the image that is readable is 'CUSTOMERS OF MERRY HILL SHOPPING CENTER ONLY'

                      I'm assuming it's just a waiting game now to see what they come back with...

                      Unfortunately or not, the car park has been completely renovated with new & different signage - so unable to actually see the terms and conditions even if a visit to the site was possible.

                      Hopefully this gets thrown out, but would they require a witness statement before anything is thrown out anyway?

                      Thanks again



                      Fingers crossed.
                      CAVEAT LECTOR

                      This is only my opinion - "Opinions are made to be changed --or how is truth to be got at?" (Byron)

                      You and I do not see things as they are. We see things as we are.
                      Cohen, Herb


                      There is danger when a man throws his tongue into high gear before he
                      gets his brain a-going.
                      Phelps, C. C.


                      "They couldn't hit an elephant at this distance!"
                      The last words of John Sedgwick

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Defendant received a letter today stating the aknowledgement of defence and it will be shared what the claimant who may contact directly to settle the dispute.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by j22key View Post
                          Defendant received a letter today stating the aknowledgement of defence and it will be shared what the claimant who may contact directly to settle the dispute.
                          Standard confirmation from the court.

                          Does it state a time limit for the Claimant to respond to the defence?
                          It is not obligatory for them to do so if not directed to do so by the court, though they might do it anyway.
                          Last edited by charitynjw; 3rd March 2023, 23:30:PM.
                          CAVEAT LECTOR

                          This is only my opinion - "Opinions are made to be changed --or how is truth to be got at?" (Byron)

                          You and I do not see things as they are. We see things as we are.
                          Cohen, Herb


                          There is danger when a man throws his tongue into high gear before he
                          gets his brain a-going.
                          Phelps, C. C.


                          "They couldn't hit an elephant at this distance!"
                          The last words of John Sedgwick

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            It states 28 days, and if the claimant does not respond the claim will be stayed, and if they wish to lift the stay after this time, they will have to apply to a judge
                            Thankyou for your time looking at this post by the way

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by j22key View Post
                              It states 28 days, and if the claimant does not respond the claim will be stayed, and if they wish to lift the stay after this time, they will have to apply to a judge
                              Thankyou for your time looking at this post by the way
                              ......and counting.
                              CAVEAT LECTOR

                              This is only my opinion - "Opinions are made to be changed --or how is truth to be got at?" (Byron)

                              You and I do not see things as they are. We see things as we are.
                              Cohen, Herb


                              There is danger when a man throws his tongue into high gear before he
                              gets his brain a-going.
                              Phelps, C. C.


                              "They couldn't hit an elephant at this distance!"
                              The last words of John Sedgwick

                              Comment

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