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    Hello - i think i might have posted this thread in the wrong area so posting again!!

    I received several PCN's last year where i used to work in a large business park. The charges claimed i was parked in an unauthorised space. I appealed some of these at the time, and when 4 of them were rejected, i then ignored all debt collector letters that followed. Things went quiet for several months and a couple weeks ago i received a county court claim. I registered online on MCOL so i have until the 7th August to submit my defence.

    I also emailed the parking company with a SARS request and received all this information back towards the end of last week. The photos had me a little worried as out of the 4 PCN's they are making a claim on, one of them it isn't completely clear by the photos which bay i'm in, but the other 3 all include photos of my number plate with the bay number, and one of them even includes a photo of the paper map of the car park that shows that the bay is not assigned to mine or any particular company.

    I have posted in another forum and have been advised that it should be crystal clear which bays are covered by the signage, and not by the map, as the claim is based on a contractual agreement formed by the signage. I would often have to drive around with one map in my hand to figure out which bay belonged to us as this wasn't clear until i had parked up in a bay. The bay that i was allegedly parked in was not allocated to our company, or any other company.

    i have wrote up my defence and would like to get some opinions on it - what i need to add, take out etc. any advice would be fully appreciated!
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    IN THE COUNTY COURT

    CLAIM No: xxxxxxxxxx

    BETWEEN:

    ******(Claimant)

    -and-

    xxxxxxxxxxxx (Defendant)

    ________________________________________
    DEFENCE
    ________________________________________

    1. The Defendant was the registered keeper of the vehicle registration number xxxxxx on the material date. The Defendant denies that the Claimant is entitled to relief in the sum claimed, or at all.

    2. It is denied that any 'parking charges’ are owed and any debt is denied in its entirety. The claimant has failed to show locus standi, the defendant does not believe they have a right to bring an action against anyone. The Defendant was an employee in the business park and had a valid parking permit during her employment there.

    3. Accordingly, it is denied that the driver breached any of the Claimant's purported contractual terms, whether express, implied, or by conduct as no enforceable contract offered at the time by claimant, no cause for action can have arisen.

    4. The Claimant also stated in the Particulars of Claim that the claim is for ‘breaching terms and conditions in operation at the car park/ private land’. However, the claimant has failed to provide evidence of that agreement.

    5. It is denied that the signs used by this claimant can have created a fair or transparent contract with a driver in any event hence incapable of binding the driver as the claimant failed to comply with International Parking Community Code of Practice ‘PART E Schedule 1 – Signage’.

    6. Photos obtained following a subject access request to the claimant show zero evidence of signage pertaining to the restrictions and regulations of parking on the Landowners property. A photo of a map does not constitute a contractual agreement. Given this lack of clarity regarding how or where an employee is to park, no contract can be construed from the Claimant’s signage, under the contra proferentem principle.

    7. The Claimant is put to strict proof that it has sufficient proprietary interest in the land, or that there are specific terms in its contract to bring an action on its own behalf. As a third party agent, the Claimant may not pursue any charge, unless specifically authorised by the principal. The Defendant has the reasonable belief that the Claimant does not have the authority to issue charges on this land in their own name, and that they have no right to bring any action regarding this claim.

    8. Costs on the claim - disproportionate and disingenuous
    - CPR 44.3 (2) states: ''Where the amount of costs is to be assessed on the standard basis, the court will
    (a) only allow costs which are proportionate to the matters in issue. Costs which are disproportionate in amount may be disallowed or reduced even if they were reasonably or necessarily incurred; and
    (b) resolve any doubt which it may have as to whether costs were reasonably and proportionately incurred or were reasonable and proportionate in amount in favour of the paying party.

    9. Whilst quantified costs can be considered on a standard basis, this Claimant's purported costs are wholly disproportionate and do not stand up to scrutiny. In fact it is averred that the Claimant has not paid or incurred such damages/costs or 'legal fees' at all. Any debt collection letters were a standard feature of a low cost business model and are already counted within the parking charge itself.

    10. The Parking Eye Ltd v Beavis case is the authority for recovery of the parking charge itself and no more, since that sum (£85 in Beavis) was held to already incorporate the minor costs of an automated private parking business model. There are no losses or damages caused by this business model and the Supreme Court Judges held that a parking firm not in possession cannot plead any part of their case in damages. It is indisputable that the alleged 'parking charge' itself is a sum which the Supreme Court found is already inflated to more than comfortably cover the cost of all letters.

    11. According to Ladak v DRC Locums UKEAT/0488/13/LA a Claimant can only recover the direct and provable costs of the time spent preparing the claim in a legal capacity, not any costs allegedly incurred by already remunerated staff.

    12. The Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 (POFA) makes it clear that the will of Parliament regarding parking on private land is that the only sum potentially able to be recovered is the sum in any compliant 'Notice to Keeper' (and the ceiling for a 'parking charge', as set by the Trade Bodies and the DVLA, is £100). This also depends upon the Claimant fully complying with the statute, including 'adequate notice' of the parking charge and prescribed documents served in time/with mandatory wording. It is submitted the claimant has failed on all counts and the Claimant is well aware their artificially inflated claim, as pleaded, constitutes double recovery.

    13. Judges have disallowed all added parking firm 'costs' in County courts up and down the Country. In Claim number F0DP201T on 10th June 2019, District Judge Taylor sitting at the County Court at Southampton, echoed an earlier General Judgment or Order of DJ Grand, who on 21st February 2019 sitting at the Newport (IOW) County Court, had struck out a parking firm claim. One was a BPA member serial Claimant (Britannia, using BW Legal's robo-claim model) and one an IPC member serial Claimant (UKCPM, using Gladstones' robo-claim model) yet the Order was identical in striking out both claims without a hearing:

    The judges stated, ''IT IS ORDERED THAT The claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverable under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in ParkingEye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''

    14. In summary, the Claimant's particulars disclose no legal basis for the sum claimed and it is the Defendant's position that the poorly pleaded claim discloses no cause of action and no liability in law for any sum at all. The Claimant's vexatious conduct from the outset has been intimidating, misleading and indeed mendacious in terms of the added costs alleged.

    15. There are several options available within the Courts' case management powers to prevent vexatious litigants pursuing a wide range of individuals for matters which are near-identical, with meritless claims and artificially inflated costs. The Defendant is of the view that private parking firms operate as vexatious litigants and that relief from sanctions should be refused.

    16. The Court is invited to make an Order of its own initiative, dismissing this claim in its entirety and to allow such Defendant's costs as are permissible under Civil Procedure Rule 27.14 on the indemnity basis, taking judicial note of the wholly unreasonable conduct of this Claimant, not least due to the abuse of process in repeatedly attempting to claim fanciful costs which they are not entitled to recover.

    Statement of Truth:
    I confirm that the contents of this defence are true to the best of my knowledge.
    Last edited by red369; 24th July 2019, 21:56:PM.
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  • #2
    Hi & welcome to LB.

    Could you post up the relevant postal PCNs?
    There may be further technical arguments if they are non compliant.
    (Front & rear, redact personal identifiers but leave all times & dates visible).

    Was this ANPR, or were windscreen notices issued?

    Also pics of site signs.
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    • #3
      i've just uploaded one for now - times and dates are slightly different but rest of the information remains the same. it was ANPR and i don't have any photos of the site signs - these also weren't included with the photos in my SARs request. i no longer work there but i was thinking i should maybe go to take some photos of the signs?
      Last edited by red369; 25th July 2019, 17:49:PM.

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      • #4
        I have skim read it and cannot find any mention of POFA? But more importantly, I don't know what you have used to redact but the black bits are loading separately on my PDF reader so for a short time I can see everything underneath, e.g. your L** *** postcode. I would re-upload properly redacted. Also I imagine the smart QR code is personalised and contains the PCN number?

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        • #5
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          • #6
            If there was no windscreen ticket and it is not a hire or lease car

            Dear sirs,

            I am the keeper of vehicle VRM xxxxxx and have received your charge xxxx

            You have failed to comply with the requirements of schedule 4 of the Prote tion of Freedoms Act 2012 namely, but not limited to, section 9 (4), failing to deliver the notice within the relevant period of 14 days.

            There is no legal requirement to identify the driver, and I will not be doing so.

            I do not expect to hear from you again other than to confirm that no further action will be taken on this matter and my details have been removed from your records

            Yours etc

            first class post with free certificate of posting from a post office

            There are numerous other failures that you will bring up later if required

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            • #7
              thank you all so much for your help!

              Originally posted by ostell View Post
              If there was no windscreen ticket and it is not a hire or lease car

              Dear sirs,

              I am the keeper of vehicle VRM xxxxxx and have received your charge xxxx

              You have failed to comply with the requirements of schedule 4 of the Prote tion of Freedoms Act 2012 namely, but not limited to, section 9 (4), failing to deliver the notice within the relevant period of 14 days.

              There is no legal requirement to identify the driver, and I will not be doing so.

              I do not expect to hear from you again other than to confirm that no further action will be taken on this matter and my details have been removed from your records

              Yours etc

              first class post with free certificate of posting from a post office

              There are numerous other failures that you will bring up later if required
              thank you for this. however, if this has got to a county court claim stage, will the above be satisfactory enough or is that only good enough for appeal stage?

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              • #8
                i've just googled the POFA section 9 that you refer to and it also says this;

                (6)A notice sent by post is to be presumed, unless the contrary is proved, to have been delivered (and so “given” for the purposes of sub-paragraph (4)) on the second working day after the day on which it is posted; and for this purpose “working day” means any day other than a Saturday, Sunday or a public holiday in England and Wales.

                i'm not sure if i'm reading this correctly but does this mean that the notice should be served 14 working days after the contravention date, or that they simply count 14 days from the day after the contravention (from monday if the contravention was on a friday)? if it's 14 working days then won't be able to use the above defence!

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                • #9
                  14 days, no mention of working

                  What they are talking about is the assumed delivery day. Posted on a Friday then delivered on the following Tuesday, unless there was a bank holiday then delivered on the Wednesday

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                  • #10
                    ok great so as the contravention is dated 20th feb, the latest the pcn should have arrived is the 7th March? and the fact that is isn't makes the whole notice void, irrespective of whether it was 'correctly' issued or not? just want to make sure i have this crystal clear!

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                    • #11
                      i've just done some more searching and found this;

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                      My ticket has not been issued within 14 days – does that make it invalid?


                      The timeframe of 14 days only applies if the operator is relying on the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012. If the operator has not mentioned the use of the legislation within their notice, then they do not have to stick to the timelines stipulated within the Act. This usually applies to tickets issued using ANPR (Automatic Number Plate Recognition).


                      And also the below;


                      If the parking firm wants to issue a ticket by post alone to you as the 'Keeper' of the vehicle (normally by getting your details from the DVLA), they have to do it within 14 days of the incident. They can then try to recover unpaid fees from you after 28 days of you receiving the ticket. This doesn't apply to private parking firms who're using an ANPR (Automatic Number Plate Recognition) system and are pursuing you as the 'driver' of the vehicle – although they'd still have to stick to the time limit if they wanted to pursue you as the Registered Keeper instead.
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                      Think my situation falls into the latter

                      Last edited by red369; 25th July 2019, 22:10:PM.

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                      • #12
                        Ah, the we-hope-you-don't-knowyourparkingrights.org website

                        run by....

                        step forward...

                        One of the parking companies trade associations, the BPA!

                        Do your own research for sure - but the advice here is usually better than the trade association of the company trying to extort money from you. Although, in your case, it is the IPC not the BPA 'behind' the people who sent you the speculative invoice.

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                        • #13
                          If they want to pursue the registered keeper, they can only do so via the 'transfer of liability' provisions which are found in the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 Schedule 4.
                          But they must adhere to the strict directions of the Act.

                          Alternatively they can pursue the driver via common law (ie not legislation)....if they know the identity of that person.
                          In law, the driver & the RK are 2 seperate & distinct entities....even if, in actuality, they are 1 & the same person.
                          CAVEAT LECTOR

                          This is only my opinion - "Opinions are made to be changed --or how is truth to be got at?" (Byron)

                          You and I do not see things as they are. We see things as we are.
                          Cohen, Herb


                          There is danger when a man throws his tongue into high gear before he
                          gets his brain a-going.
                          Phelps, C. C.


                          "They couldn't hit an elephant at this distance!"
                          The last words of John Sedgwick

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                          • #14
                            One of the parking companies trade associations, the BPA!

                            Do your own research for sure - but the advice here is usually better than the trade association of the company trying to extort money from you. Although, in your case, it is the IPC not the BPA 'behind' the people who sent you the speculative invoice.

                            Ah very sneaky! So the part about 'If the operator has not mentioned the use of the legislation within their notice, then they do not have to stick to the timelines stipulated within the Act' isn't applicable as all parking companies should adhere to this?

                            If they want to pursue the registered keeper, they can only do so via the 'transfer of liability' provisions which are found in the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 Schedule 4.
                            But they must adhere to the strict directions of the Act.

                            I couldn't find the 'transfer of liability' provisions, but I read that if the creditor does not know the name and address of the current driver within 28 days they have the right to recover from the keeper. But if I've got this right from what you've said, they may only pursue this if all directions of the Act previously have been followed i.e. notice posted within 14 days? And as it was not, the notice can no longer be pursued? And the fact that I'm using this defense over a year later when it's got to claim stage doesn't matter as they didn't stick to the 14 day timescale between parking period ending and letter being received?

                            I'm just gutted that I didn't come here first for advice as it would have been a lot more useful to use this at the appeal stage!

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by red369 View Post

                              it would have been a lot more useful to use this at the appeal stage!
                              I guess you mean before the appeal stage, as you've found out, a formal 'appeal' to either the parking company or the IPC is about as useful as shouting though the letterbox of your local radio station in the hope of getting a job as a DJ.

                              It is likely though that a simple letter worded in post 6 as above could have stopped things in their tracks. But no matter.

                              I am guessing that when you say 'I appealed some of these at the time' you have admitted you were the driver to the parking company?

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