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Appealing NPE parking fine, please help!

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  • Appealing NPE parking fine, please help!

    I received a letter from a debt collector back in December for an unpaid parking fine relating to a parking offence in September, over two months before. The amount was £160 as I had apparently ignored the original fine of £60. I had apparently parked in a disabled bay in a local shopping precinct, controlled by NPE. I had never received a fine/notice to keeper in the post and no ticket on my windscreen.
    After getting another two letters from the debt collectors threatening court action (I had planned to ignore the demands) I wrote to them and NPE to say this, ie no fine or evidence had been received.
    NPE claims to have sent me a notice to keeper within the correct timescale, they emailed me back with a copy of this letter dated within 15 days of the offence.
    They have photos of me and my car for less than a minute's duration (including a pic of me driving off) with boot and door open, I had pulled in to do a big drop to the charity shop there and left the car running as I unloaded, it was the only bay available.
    I'm unsure whether to appeal on the basis that I didn't get the notice to keeper or that I wasn't properly parked in the bay, merely stopping for a minute, that I just used it for a drop off. NPE has offered to reduce the £160 fine to £60.
    Any advice please?
    I have looked on MSE but nothing relevant to this odd situation....
    I would be very grateful for any advice. NPE is notorious around here and I don't feel the fine is fair, nor do I like the very threatening way NPE has behaved, bullying tactics.....
    The other option is to ignore but am not sure this is sensible as I don't want to end up in court?
    Thanks very much in advance!
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  • #2
    Re: Appealing NPE parking fine, please help!

    dated within 15 days
    How many days after the "incident" ?

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    • #3
      Re: Appealing NPE parking fine, please help!

      Well I didnt get a copy of the notice to keeper but it was dated 29 Sept, the offence was 23 Sept.
      The fee then was in fact £100.,reduced to £60 if paid within 14 days....

      - - - Updated - - -

      ps thanks for the reply!

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      • #4
        Re: Appealing NPE parking fine, please help!

        Should have added that my only sight of the Notice to keeper was via email after I got in touch with them after the third debt collector letter threatening court action. NPE then provided this document via email, I have not had a paper copy still.
        My details (name and address) had been used in this notice to keeper, not sure if this is legal?
        Do I appeal now and use this as the basis? Am a bit confused....
        Thanks

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        • #5
          Re: Appealing NPE parking fine, please help!

          Can i see the notice to keeper suitably sanitised ?

          You won't be allowed to appeal so it's either going to be getting the charity or landowner to intervene, ignoring until or if they do court or paying.

          If you can get time stamped pictures of the area and signage they could be a lifesaver if this does end up in court.

          M1

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          • #6
            Re: Appealing NPE parking fine, please help!

            Thanks will try to upload a pic of the PCN or can I PM you the pdf file they sent me? There are photos on there of the car and of me coming back to the car, not sure how I could redact these?
            Bizarrely they have offered me to appeal even though its way out of time limit, perhaps because they know they didn't send me the original pcn?
            I have had a look around and it appears NPE never go to court so not sure its worth pursuing, wondering if I should leave it?
            There are signs posted in blue and yellow, but these are hard to read...
            Any thoughts?
            Last edited by Narwich122; 13th January 2017, 18:35:PM.

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            • #7
              Re: Appealing NPE parking fine, please help!

              I am having trouble posting the attachments on here, too large I think, could I pm them to you?
              Thanks
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              • #8
                Re: Appealing NPE parking fine, please help!

                Email [MENTION=49370]Kati[/MENTION] as per my signature.

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                • #9
                  Re: Appealing NPE parking fine, please help!

                  Thanks, all done

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                  • #10
                    Re: Appealing NPE parking fine, please help!

                    Got them xx
                    Attached Files
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                    • #11
                      Re: Appealing NPE parking fine, please help!

                      Great thanks hope they are clear enough....

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                      • #12
                        Re: Appealing NPE parking fine, please help!

                        Well the bad news is that no matter what you will not be allowed to appeal. It happens often enough that i know they will not let you appeal.

                        Dear Sirs,


                        I have been sent a letter from yourselves for an alleged debt which i assume is for parking. This is the 1st communication i have had regarding this matter and as such i have no detail nor an opportunity to appeal.


                        I note that as registered keeper i have no liability in this matter due to not having received a notice to keeper.


                        Yours etc




                        They will tell you to get lost and beg you for money. There is nothing you can do as it's up to them to give you an opportunity to appeal, which they will not do. The purpose of sending the above email is for evidence if it ever reaches court. As yet, they don't do court http://www.bmpa.eu/companydata/Natio...forcement.html


                        Keep all communications safe in a drawer and ignore, unless you get court papers or a letter before action.


                        M1

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                        • #13
                          Re: Appealing NPE parking fine, please help!

                          Thank you for the reply.
                          Bizarrely they have already told me I can appeal, so would you suggest I go ahead and do this?
                          Any thoughts on what to say, am not sure of the best approach, whether to question the fee given it was a 1 minute stop in a disable bay in a free shoppers car park or to say that I never received the original fine/notice to keeper?
                          Thanks again, much appreciated, all a bit of a minefield!

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                          • #14
                            Re: Appealing NPE parking fine, please help!

                            Certainly would.

                            http://legalbeagles.info/forums/show...521#post636521

                            M1

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