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  • DCB Legal Court claim - Total Car Parks

    Hi Guys,

    I recently received a court claim from DCB legal regarding a parking fine from Total car parks. I appealed this at the time but it was unsuccessful and it was left at that for 2 years. I haven't received anything since then up until this court claim now.

    I have already acknowledged the claim online...what are my next steps?


    Kind Regards
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  • #2
    i)Send Subject Access Request letter to Total Car Parks
    ii)send CPR31.14 request to DCB Legal

    there are templates in the SHORTCUTS panel on right hand side this page.
    They will need amending as drawn up primarily for Credit Consumer Act cases

    In the CPR you will need to request as a minimum:
    i) a copy of the contract between themselves and land owner/occupier
    ii) photos of relevant parking signs (the alleged contract between driver & parking company)
    iii)copy of the notice to Keeper
    iv) any other documentation they intend to rely upon

    There might be more, but assume DCBL are sticking to their usual format

    Do not identify driver when communicating or on here

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    • #3
      des8 thanks for the reply!

      Any idea what/how I need to amend on the templates to make it suitable?

      Regards

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      • #4
        CPR31.14 omit examples in green and use i-iv in post 2

        SAR ask in particular for copies of any correspondence (want to see if they have kept your appeal)

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        • #5
          Originally posted by des8 View Post
          CPR31.14 omit examples in green and use i-iv in post 2

          SAR ask in particular for copies of any correspondence (want to see if they have kept your appeal)
          Hi again,

          I received some correspondence back from the above but need to submit my defence. What is the best way to go about this?

          Thanks

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          • #6
            When is your defence due to be filed & served?

            Post up a copy of the claim form, together with any documentation you have received and we can help with your defence

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            • #7
              Originally posted by des8 View Post
              When is your defence due to be filed & served?

              Post up a copy of the claim form, together with any documentation you have received and we can help with your defence
              I believe the original defence deadline has already expired however DCB stated they would wait a further 14 days and it appears I can still file the defence online currently. It just all got forgotten about while waiting for their documents and xmas etc..

              Should I post the claim form and documentation here or private message?

              Thanks

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              • #8
                Phew!

                Post here on open forum, but first delete identifying details such as name/addresses/registration numbers

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                • #9
                  Ok i'll attach the important parts here

                  Attached Files

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                  • #10
                    des8 There were many other pictures included but I don't think I need to attach them - Basically many images of my vehicle leaving and arriving, including registration pics, lots of pictures of various signage around the card park, lease documents and map images of the car park.

                    Thanks for your help!

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                    • #11
                      Have you had a response from DCBL?
                      Could you post up photos of the signs, with the small print legible if possible?

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                      • #12
                        Yes these documents were from from their reply to the CPR request, they said I should pay now or they will request judgement.

                        There's loads of images of the signs but not all are legible from the pictures but I'll send what I can now.

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                        • #13
                          And as you can see the original fine was £100 but they've added an additional £60 from somewhere!

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                          • #14
                            Here are the signs...

                            Attached Files

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                            • #15
                              Just had a look at the dates and you really need to send your defence asap as it was due (even with the extention) in mid December

                              Was hoping those signs would have been more explicit, as they seem to have no terms or conditions. They are just a tariff.
                              What did the other signs state?
                              I have assumed that somewhere a sign states that failure to abide by the T&Cs will incur a parking charge of £100 and elsewhere it will say (in very small letters) that there will be additional costs or damages.
                              You will need to see what the exact wording is and amend the section "Recovery of Claimant's "total of PCN(s)and damages" appropriately

                              Was that the complete parking charge notice? No other pages?

                              Did you get a copy of the contract between land occupier and Total Parking? Was that the lease to which you referred in post 10?
                              If so have you gone through it to make sure Total are fully compliant?
                              If it is that contract you will need to delete "The defendant notes the claimant has failed to respond to a CPR31.14 request timeously, and has not supplied the contract authorising the claimant to manage parking at the relevant location"

                              The claim form is just the normal template that DCBL use,
                              Due to their threat, you should attach it to an email when sending to court asap.
                              In subject line insert case number and mark it urgent for Court Manager
                              Copy DCBL in by first class post with free certificate of posting


                              DRAFT DEFENCE (you might need to amend it to your circumstances and the numbering needs tidying up!)
                              This is only how I would approach the matter.
                              It is for you to use or discard or amend as you see fit.



                              Introduction

                              The defendant notes that the claimant failed to follow the CPR Pre-action protocol for debt claims

                              1..The Defendant received the claim xxx from DCB Legal Ltd on dd/mm/yy

                              2.Each and every allegation in the Claimant's statement of case is denied unless specifically admitted in this Defence.

                              3. The Defendant avers the Claimant's statement of case firstly fails to give adequate information to enable the Defendant to properly assess the Defendant's position with regards the claim and secondly has failed to properly plead its case in accordance with CPR 16.4(1)(a)
                              Specifically the Particulars of Claim:
                              . i)state that Parking Charge(s) were issued to vehicle xxxx at xxxx but fails to state how they were issued, when they were issued and how many were issued
                              ii) states that PCN(s) were issued on dd.mm.202? but fails to state how many.
                              iii) states the claim is for £160 being the total of the PCN(s) and damages but fails to state how this total is computed
                              iv)
                              the Claimant has failed to identify in which capacity the defendant is being pursued and is simply offering a menu of choices
                              a)C. pursues the defendant as driver, allegedly having entered into a contract with the Claimant but does not
                              explain how or on what basis the contract was entered into. or

                              b)C. pursues the Defendant as the registered keeper of the vehicle yet the Claimant has failed to particularise
                              the basis of that allegation.


                              The defendant notes the claimant has failed to respond to a CPR31.14 request timeously, and has not supplied the contract authorising the claimant to manage parking at the relevant location

                              4..It is well established that the Claimant must provide adequate pleadings and include all essential ingredients of the cause of action so as to enable the Defendant to understand the case against them. The Particulars of Claim, as drafted, are inadequate which makes it difficult for the Defendant to respond as he does not know or understand the basis of the Claimant's case.
                              Further, the Defendant is surprised by the poor drafting of the particulars given that the Claimant is represented professionally by a firm of solicitors and so the lack of compliance with the CPR 16.4(1)(a) to formulate proper particulars cannot be excused. Accordingly, the court is invited to consider its general case management powers pursuant to CPR 3.1 to
                              1. i) make an order that unless the Claimant (i) files and re-serves an amended Particulars of Claim compliant with CPR 16.4(1)(a) and
                              2. ii) provide the necessary documentation in order for the Defendant to fully plead his case within 14 days of said order, then the claim shall be struck out and judgment entered in favour of the Defendant;
                                iii) If the Claimant should comply with such an order , the Defendant will then be in a position to amend her defence, and would ask that the Claimant bears the costs of the amendment.
                                Or
                              3. iv) if the court considers it appropriate, to strike out the claim in whole or in part, on the basis that the claim discloses no reasonable grounds for a cause of action; and
                                v) exercise any other case management powers the court sees fit
                              Without prejudice to the foregoing paragraphs, the Defendant intends to respond to the allegations raised in the Particulars of Claim as best she is able.

                              Liability as driver

                              5The defendant neither admits nor denies he was the driver at the relevant time

                              5.The Claimant has so far failed to provide any supporting evidence the Defendant was the driver. Accordingly, the Claimant's allegation is nothing more than a fishing expedition which the Defendant considers to be an abuse of process.

                              6. The Claimant asserts the reason the PCN(s) were issued was a "...breach of the terms on the signs (the contract) Reason Parked in contravention of the Ts andCs Overstayed paid for parking session"

                              7.The Defendant avers that the payment system required to be used by the Claimant was faulty and any underpayment was the responsibility of the Claimant



                              Liability as Registered Keeper

                              8 It is denied the Claimant is entitled to recover the Parking Charge

                              9. The claimant has failed top specify how liability for unpaid parking charges may be transferred from the driver to the registered keeper

                              11 The costs sought by the Claimant are based upon a contractual right under the terms of the alleged parking contract. It is well established under the doctrine of privity that a person who is not party to the contract cannot sue or be sued. Any contractual relationship in respect of the parking and the alleged contravention was solely between the Claimant and the driver of the vehicle, not the registered keeper

                              12.In the alternative the Defendant contends the Claimant has failed to comply with the mandatory conditions of POFA2012to transfer liability for unpaid charges to be transferred from the driver to the registered keeper in that contrary to condition 5(1)(b) of POFA2012 the Claimant implies the Defendant was the driver of the vehicle.

                              13.In light of that allegation, it is implied that the Claimant has actual knowledge of the driver's identity and so the Defendant cannot be held liable for the Parking Charge as the registered keeper, and the Claimant must pursue the driver of the vehicle only. The Defendant will seek to rely on paragraph 221 of the POFA 2012 Explanatory Notes, which states that:
                              1. " The creditor is not obliged to pursue unpaid parking charges through this scheme and may seek to do so through other means but they may not use the scheme provided for here to secure double recovery of unpaid parking charges (paragraph 4(6)), nor will they have the right to pursue the keeper, as opposed to the driver, of the vehicle where they have sufficient details of the driver's identity (emphasis added)

                              Recovery of Claimant's "total of PCN(s)and damages"

                              14.. The Defendant denies that the Claimant is entitled to the recovery of unspecified damages in respect of the PCN(s) against the Defendant for the following reasons:

                              15.The defendant , by visiting the car park subsequent to receiving the claim, notes the signage in the car park refers to a charge of £100 plus unspecified additional charges,

                              16. the Defendant asserts the additional charges term on the parking sign is contrary to the requirement of good faith and causes a significant imbalance under the contract to the detriment of the Defendant.

                              17. Section 68 of the Consumer Rights Act 2015.( CRA 2015) requires that every term of a consumer contract must be transparent and expressed in a plain and intelligible language.

                              18.The Defendant contends that the term referring to the charges on the signage was neither transparent nor intelligible in that it only refers to unspecified additional charges/ charges.

                              19..It fails to explain what charges the claimant seeks to recover, and is also contrary to CRA2015 Schedule2 (10 & 14)

                              20.Consequently, the term is unfair and is not binding on the Defendant pursuant to section 62 of the CRA2015


                              21.In Parking Eye vs Beavis ([2015] UKSC 67. Case ID. UKSC 2015/0116. the S C found the parking charge (£85) was a genuine estimate of the costs of operating the parking scheme including losses suffered by the operator if its terms and conditions were not complied with (see paras 188 and 193 of the judgment).

                              22. In this claim unspecified costs additional to the parking charge may involve an element of double recovery and is an abuse of process that may taint the entirety of the claim and permit the Court to strike out the claim (CPR3 4 (2) (b) )


                              23. Whilst not binding on this court the Defendant respectfully refers to the following case: G4QZ465V (Excel Parking Services Ltd vs Wilkinson - 1st July 2020) where District Judge Jackson considered a similar claim to be an abuse of process under the The Consumer Rights Act 2015 (Sch 2 and section 61/ 61(1)/ 67). He found that striking out the claim was the only appropriate manner in which the disapproval of the court could be shown

                              24. POFA2012 Schedule 4 paragraph 4(5)provides that the maximum amount which may be recovered from the registered keeper is the total amount of the unpaid parking charges specified in the notice to the registered keeper.

                              Any liability that would be owed by the keeper to the Claimant is limited to an amount that does not exceed the unpaid parking charge(s). The Claimant's pursuit of "damages" amounts to an abuse of process.

                              25. the Defendant denies that the claimant is entitled to the relief as claimed or at all

                              STATEMENT OF TRUTH
                              I believe that the facts stated in this defence are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.

                              SIGNED …………………………………………..

                              Dated

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