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UKPPO PCN in wembley.
As suggested by the senior member, I'm starting a new thread. I had a PCN from the UKPPO for parking at the Wembley retail park. I had parked at the same place and they issued me same PCN with similar time limits as per one of the other threads here. One thing I am not sure if i had actually stayed for that long. second thing, why are the times similar. I had checked some other post on google which pointed out similar thing.
I appealed to the UKPPO and got the same response. But in my they are asking why I was at the site. Which I believe it shouldn't concern them and also there is not contract to disclose it to them?
Can you please advice what can I do next? Is it worth pursuing further to IAS as someone had some luck?
Waiting for you response. Below is the reply which I got from the demons. I strongly believe this is the standard response which give to all the appeals and just change the reg number and timings.
Thanks in advance
"Dear Sir/Madam,
Thank you for your letter of appeal against the Parking Charge Notice issued by us.
Having carefully considered the evidence provided by you we have decided to reject your appeal for the following reasons:
The vehicle was parked on private land that is well signed with blue & white contractual notices stating; “90 Minutes Maximum stay, No Return Within 1 Hour”.
Whilst I am unsure of the purpose of the visit to the site, as you have not stated why you were there, you are permitted to park for 90-minutes only. We are aware that this may sound harsh but, the site is extremely busy. Therefore, the landowner implemented a time restriction.
A new Law from 1st October 2012 (part of the Protection of Freedoms Act) changed liability for parking on private land from the driver of the vehicle to the vehicle’s registered keeper, unless the keeper clearly identifies who was driving the car at the time.
There are 24-contractual notices at the site that inform motorists of the contractual terms & conditions of parking at the site. These notices have been audited and approved by our Accredited Trade Association. Therefore, the signage in place is sufficient and adheres to current legislation
Your time at the location starts once you have past the entry camera. The 90-minute stay includes time to read the signs/find a parking bay etc.
Please be advised that the above vehicle registration mark was captured via the Automatic Number Plate Recognition system (ANPR) entering the parking area at 19:59:46 on the 04/09/2019
and again upon exiting at 21:47:57, as can be seen on the photographic evidence that has been provided to you. Therefore, the driver exceeded the maximum stay and the cameras automatically issued a PCN. The vehicle remained at the location for 1 hr 48-minutes. Therefore, although the driver may have surpassed the mandatory grace period by a sort period of time, it was still adhered to.
In Summation; the terms and conditions of the parking contract, and all charges, are well advertised throughout the development. By remaining at the location, the driver accepted all of the prevailing terms & conditions of the contract, including the charges for breach of that contract.
You have now reached the end of our internal appeals procedure and have a number of options:
1. Pay the Parking Charge Notice at the prevailing price of £60 within 14 days. Please note that after this time you will lose the chance to pay the discounted rate and the full amount of £100 will become payable.
2. If you believe this decision is incorrect, you are entitled to appeal to the Independent Appeals Service (IAS). Please be advised that if you opt for independent arbitration of your case and are unsuccessful, the full amount of £100 will become payable. In order to appeal, you will need your parking charge number, your vehicle registration and the date the charge was originally issued. Appeals must be submitted to the IAS within 21 days of the date of this letter. Please visit www.theias.org for full details.
3. If you choose to do nothing, we will seek to recover the monies owed to us via our debt recovery procedures and may proceed with Court action against you.
The Independent Appeals Service (www.theIAS.org) provides an Alternative Dispute Resolution scheme for disputes of this type. As you have complied with our internal appeals procedure you may use, and we will engage with, the IAS Standard Appeals Service providing you lodge an appeal to them within 21 days of this rejection."
I appealed to the UKPPO and got the same response. But in my they are asking why I was at the site. Which I believe it shouldn't concern them and also there is not contract to disclose it to them?
Can you please advice what can I do next? Is it worth pursuing further to IAS as someone had some luck?
Waiting for you response. Below is the reply which I got from the demons. I strongly believe this is the standard response which give to all the appeals and just change the reg number and timings.
Thanks in advance
"Dear Sir/Madam,
Thank you for your letter of appeal against the Parking Charge Notice issued by us.
Having carefully considered the evidence provided by you we have decided to reject your appeal for the following reasons:
The vehicle was parked on private land that is well signed with blue & white contractual notices stating; “90 Minutes Maximum stay, No Return Within 1 Hour”.
Whilst I am unsure of the purpose of the visit to the site, as you have not stated why you were there, you are permitted to park for 90-minutes only. We are aware that this may sound harsh but, the site is extremely busy. Therefore, the landowner implemented a time restriction.
A new Law from 1st October 2012 (part of the Protection of Freedoms Act) changed liability for parking on private land from the driver of the vehicle to the vehicle’s registered keeper, unless the keeper clearly identifies who was driving the car at the time.
There are 24-contractual notices at the site that inform motorists of the contractual terms & conditions of parking at the site. These notices have been audited and approved by our Accredited Trade Association. Therefore, the signage in place is sufficient and adheres to current legislation
Your time at the location starts once you have past the entry camera. The 90-minute stay includes time to read the signs/find a parking bay etc.
Please be advised that the above vehicle registration mark was captured via the Automatic Number Plate Recognition system (ANPR) entering the parking area at 19:59:46 on the 04/09/2019
and again upon exiting at 21:47:57, as can be seen on the photographic evidence that has been provided to you. Therefore, the driver exceeded the maximum stay and the cameras automatically issued a PCN. The vehicle remained at the location for 1 hr 48-minutes. Therefore, although the driver may have surpassed the mandatory grace period by a sort period of time, it was still adhered to.
In Summation; the terms and conditions of the parking contract, and all charges, are well advertised throughout the development. By remaining at the location, the driver accepted all of the prevailing terms & conditions of the contract, including the charges for breach of that contract.
You have now reached the end of our internal appeals procedure and have a number of options:
1. Pay the Parking Charge Notice at the prevailing price of £60 within 14 days. Please note that after this time you will lose the chance to pay the discounted rate and the full amount of £100 will become payable.
2. If you believe this decision is incorrect, you are entitled to appeal to the Independent Appeals Service (IAS). Please be advised that if you opt for independent arbitration of your case and are unsuccessful, the full amount of £100 will become payable. In order to appeal, you will need your parking charge number, your vehicle registration and the date the charge was originally issued. Appeals must be submitted to the IAS within 21 days of the date of this letter. Please visit www.theias.org for full details.
3. If you choose to do nothing, we will seek to recover the monies owed to us via our debt recovery procedures and may proceed with Court action against you.
The Independent Appeals Service (www.theIAS.org) provides an Alternative Dispute Resolution scheme for disputes of this type. As you have complied with our internal appeals procedure you may use, and we will engage with, the IAS Standard Appeals Service providing you lodge an appeal to them within 21 days of this rejection."
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