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    My daughter, who is in arrears with her rent, of which I had no knowledge, decided to ask my help after she received Form 3, Housing Act, Section 8, a notice of repossession. I too received a copy as I am guarantor. I replied to the landlord but did not get a reply. A week later he phoned me to say that he does not live at the address that the letter was headed during the week. We had therefore lost a week of the two weeks notice. After trying to call him without success, I then missed his call. It was Father's Day and I was being entertained! I rang back and left another message offering my email address. There followed a bizarre few exchanges when I explained my Daughter's situation.....husband run off, no money, awaiting C.S.A. and Housing Benefit responses etc. He asked for a proposal regarding re-payment, his reply to my proposal was that he wanted a firm proposal, again I replied, in detail. He again responded asking for this in table format. I did his and returned to him in a PDF, by email at 11.45 a.m. on Tuesday 23rd. Having had no reply I informed him, late that night, that I would be away all day on the Wednesday but if he would answer my email, I would reply, today Thursday. That reply was not there on Wednesday night but arrived today. The reply is,

    "Many thanks for your repayment proposal of 23 June 2015. Unfortunately, your plan has fallen short of the expectation of my creditors. I am therefore unable to accept your proposal.
    Unless a sum of £1,500 (£820 - 50% of the arrears of £1,640 as of 17 June 2015, plus £680 - full rental payment for June 2015, due on 18 June 2015) is paid by 5pm on Friday 26 June 2015, the re-possession of 52 Talygarn Street will proceed as scheduled.
    A Section 8 Possession Notice as set out in the Housing Act 1988 as amended by the Housing Act 1996 has been issued to each of the tenant on 9 June 2015. The tenant must leave the property by 12 noon on Saturday 27 June 2015.
    If the tenant choose to remain in the property after the above deadline, a court order will be sought for their lawful removal on Monday 29 June 2015."

    Everything that I have written about the situation has been ignored and my proposal that I have tried to get him to understand has been rejected. If he had not wasted so much time, I may have been able to respond but I am getting the feeling that he is not being obstructive. With less than two days for her to leave it is obviously totally impossible to achieve at this late stage.....even if she wanted to. She has a young child in bed ill, has just enrolled her in Primary School in the next street, works half a mile away, is not far for my wife and I and so on. The tenancy was signed by her and her husband who left in March. The landlord sent them separate letters but as he does not live there, he has no idea of what is unfolding. I requested a few times that the landlord sends the letter to her husband's new address but he has declined. My argument was that he should pay half of the arrears whilst living there and should at least be informed.
    I could raise the money demanded but not in two days but am reluctant to do so because her 12 months contract expires soon and I just get a feeling he wants her out. I am angry about this, she has worked hard to maintain the property, has a variety of vegetables planted in the garden and just wants a bit of sympathy as things settle down, financially as well as emotionally.

    Can I oppose this Notice? It seems to be accurate but does not have any way on the form, of offering a defence. Should he seek a Court Order, which seems inevitable, can I attend court and defend her position, with my proposal and cash in hand if required?

    Thank you.
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    Re: Notice of Possession Assured Tenancy

    Hi

    Yes you can appose, they have been a bit liberal with the way they have worded that, That notice is only a notice that they intend to apply to court after that date.

    There would have been some other items on the notice ( grounds ), what grounds are they using ) Ground 8 i presume

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_8_Notice

    but yes, you can quite easly appose it, and thye have to apply to court first, so it take time

    What did you offer by the way ?

    The tenant must leave the property by 12 noon on Saturday 27 June 2015. If the tenant choose to remain in the property after the above deadline, a court order will be sought for their lawful removal on Monday 29 June 2015."
    Thats not correct, you can invite the tenant to leave,

    for your info
    12 noon on Saturday 27 June 2015.
    thats just the date that they can start the application from. ITS NOT AN EVICTION DATE... ITS IN INVITE TO LEAVE

    a court order will be sought for their lawful removal on Monday 29 June 2015
    this just meens that they will be applying for it, from this date, and if its under ground 8, first that have to get possesion order ( judge to agree ) ( it would take a minimum of 8 weeks )

    Obviously, being ain arrears is a situation you would avoid,,, but they way they have worded this, is to make you think you have to pay there demand or leave.

    ITS SIMPLY WRONG. I have seen a claim of harrasment against an LL for the wording of one opf these notices

    If you read the notice fully ( as long as its not a section 21 ) . it does explain it in the small print
    Last edited by Crazy council; 25th June 2015, 11:22:AM.
    crazy council ( as in local council,NELC ) as a member of the public, i don't get mad, i get even

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    • #3
      Re: Notice of Possession Assured Tenancy

      Thank you, that was quick.....my email/proposal to the landlord.

      "Good Morning Paul,

      I thought my explanation was perfectly clear, especially the paragraph that starts, “My proposal” which outlines the payment plan. However I will re-word it.

      1/
      My Daughter will pay.
      June – Full rent
      July – Full Rent
      August – Full rent
      September onwards - Full rent plus £200 minimum from arrears."

      2/
      These are minimum figures as explained. CSA Tax Credits etc. I will help her to increase the payments from this month on (June) depending on my income as also explained in the previous email.

      3/
      You make no mention of her husband and his part in the arrears. Are you dismissing this and expecting my daughter to pay it all or are you going to send him the letter to his new address? I too need clarification so that if you fail to inform both parties then I will need to.

      4/
      If you agree then I will pay you directly, monies over and above the figures in Paragraph/1. I will start this on Monday 29th when I get paid. I will not promise a set figure as I get variable income. This is not meant to be part of Paragraph 1/ but an addition to those figures to aid a quicker resolution to the problem.

      5/
      As long as my daughter and granddaughter remain in the house I will support her in getting this sorted out. I hope that this is clearer to you now and look forward to your acceptance. Please supply me with your bank details so I can transfer monies as promised."

      The notice form was on Grounds 8, 10 and 11.

      Thanks again.

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      • #4
        Re: Notice of Possession Assured Tenancy

        Just to clarify ... is she on a Short Term or an Assured (long term) tenancy?
        Will your daughter be getting Housing Benefit? (I thought ground 8 couldn't be used if the arrears were caused be a delay in HB, although I might be wrong)
        Was she served a 'notice to quit' before he (LL) decided to use ground 10?
        Debt is like any other trap, easy enough to get into, but hard enough to get out of.

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        • #5
          Re: Notice of Possession Assured Tenancy

          An Assured Tenancy. I believe that it was twelve months and has one or two to go but assumed it would continue. (It does say on the form, Do not use for "shorthold")
          She will be but it is still confused at the moment, when and how much.
          The Form Number 3 has 8, 10 and 11 handwritten on it, so no, all three together.

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          • #6
            Re: Notice of Possession Assured Tenancy

            Ok, ground * is the only mandatory one, and for that, the rent has to be 8 weeks in arrears at both the date of service, and the date of court application, and date of court.

            ( IE ) if the arrears go under 8 weeks, in that time, then its non mandatory.

            The other 2 grounds are just back up ( none manditory grounds for a judge to decide on )

            So, they can act, they can apply to the court after that date, the process usually takes 8 weeks, you get to put your side to a judge, judges give tenants a lot of le-way if they turn up.

            My recommendation... rent plus 10% or 20% per months, in writing, to the agent/ll

            Thank you, that was quick
            am sat writing notices to quit for three tenancy's for a favour for someone, lol, :tinysmile_aha_t:
            crazy council ( as in local council,NELC ) as a member of the public, i don't get mad, i get even

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            • #7
              Re: Notice of Possession Assured Tenancy

              I did offer £100 plus rent but was declined, directly into his bank on Monday, the day I am paid. I will try to up it a bit but 20% is a bit too much for me. If it goes to court I will be there! Thanks again for your assistance.

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