Flags

[Goodbadugly]

You say you have notified the LA, but suggest they are dragging their feet.

To whom did you report the breach of planning?
Was it the planning department, the enforcement officer?
Did you get your local councillor involved? the CEO of the council?

how long ago did you make that report?
Have you made an official complaint about the length of time it is taking to enforce planning law?

depending on the answers to the above you could possibly make a complaint to the LGO.


Regarding the trespass, if having asked both parties politely to cease the trespass and they have not agreed but continue with their actions, you could
apply for a court injunction ordering them to cease.
You would need to send them both a signed for letter asking them to cease their trespass.
It would need to warn them that if they did not comply you would be applying for an injunction ordering their compliance, and applying for an adverse costs order (so they pay the cost)

Thanks Des8,

Reported both to planning and enforcement three weeks ago,
Also found out today the enforcement officer is now on holiday for 2 weeks,
I believe both neighbours found out this week (Monday) about my compliant.
CEO is copied into my emails. Emailed one neighbour on Wednesday about trespassing but no response, he would have told the other neighbour about this.

looks like I will have to send recorded letters politely asking for flags to be moved,
followed with legal threat if nothing happens.

Will also have to lookout for a good councillor or MP.

One neighbour did work for the LA, now works with another LA.....


GBU.

[islandgirl]

I would be concerned if you own your home as, should you sell at any point, this dispute would have to be declared. Whilst a planning matter is one thing, taking legal action etc is another (and expensive). Are the flags of an offensive nature? I am a proud flag flyer (on my own land of course)...

[echat11]

I would be concerned if you own your home as, should you sell at any point, this dispute would have to be declared. Whilst a planning matter is one thing, taking legal action etc is another (and expensive). Are the flags of an offensive nature? I am a proud flag flyer (on my own land of course)...

The flags 'trespass' on the OP's property, the flag poles has been planted too close to the boundaries on each side of OP's property, so they 'trespass'.
The OP's objection isn't against 'flags' per say, but the fact they are a 'distraction / trespass' due to location. It seems like an co-ordinated effort to get at the OP.

[Goodbadugly]

I would be concerned if you own your home as, should you sell at any point, this dispute would have to be declared. Whilst a planning matter is one thing, taking legal action etc is another (and expensive). Are the flags of an offensive nature? I am a proud flag flyer (on my own land of course)...

Thanks Islandgirl

All houses are bought,

The narcissist neighbour is very clean and tidy (houses not attached),
the other neighbours are the opposite of the narcissist neighbour so will have impact on house price living next door to them (houses attached), they have already ran out a neighbour on the other side of them (not attached).

There is no issue with the flags, the issue is the locations of the flags, located deliberate for maximum impact to be anti-social to us, the only upside is they did not do their homework and both flag poles are too high without planning permission, so council should give them both an enforcement order. And the flags are without doubt trespassing.

It's a bit of a catch 22 with both neighbours, do nothing and we are just waiting for the next anti-social act from them, complain about flags and again we will just be waiting for something else, the neighbours through the wall had a police warning last week for another matter.

The original advice from the LA and Police was do nothing and they would get fed up,
but that was about 6 months ago, and has been on going for at least a year now.

The legal road may be the only way to stop them.....

GBU

[Goodbadugly]

The flags 'trespass' on the OP's property, the flag poles has been planted too close to the boundaries on each side of OP's property, so they 'trespass'.
The OP's objection isn't against 'flags' per say, but the fact they are a 'distraction / trespass' due to location. It seems like an co-ordinated effort to get at the OP.

Thanks Echat11,

All correct above,

GBU

[islandgirl]

Thank you everyone (and OP). I see it is part of a campaign just wondering if it was bad enough to start legal action and have to declare the disputes etc if the house is sold. Of course the neighbours should not be doing this and hopefully the council will enforce which is probably the best route. It is awful that the neighbours are so petty and vindictive - I do have every sympathy with the OP

[Goodbadugly]

Thank you everyone (and OP). I see it is part of a campaign just wondering if it was bad enough to start legal action and have to declare the disputes etc if the house is sold. Of course the neighbours should not be doing this and hopefully the council will enforce which is probably the best route. It is awful that the neighbours are so petty and vindictive - I do have every sympathy with the OP

Hi Islandgirl,

Having lived in six different houses with my wife over 30 years, and probably about 20 different neighbours over that time we have never had one neighbour like them, now we have two.

So this is a learning curve for us and genuinely do not know the best approach with these anti-social neighbours.

I'm currently sitting in my living room watch TV and just above my TV to the right is a flag (about 2 o'clock in the sky) in my garden airspace.

We have been shouted at when we have been in our back garden, called names, vegetable patch destroyed in our garden, driveway blocked, dangerous driving when out walking the dog, threatened to be killed, etc, etc,

We have asked them in the past what we are doing to warrant this anti-social behaviour but cannot get an answer from them, they are now just unapproachable.

Thanks

GBU

[islandgirl]

How absolutely awful. There is a site Neighbours from Hell in Britain (google it) which has info and experiences. Threats to kill are, by the way, a criminal offence as is behaviour likely to cause alarm, harassment or distress...bear that in mind.

[Goodbadugly]

How absolutely awful. There is a site Neighbours from Hell in Britain (google it) which has info and experiences. Threats to kill are, by the way, a criminal offence as is behaviour likely to cause alarm, harassment or distress...bear that in mind.

No witness, but was recorded with the police and LA, that was the narcissist neighbour,
who has been very quiet since then just flag on boundary and evil stares.

GBU

[Onestepatatime]

I think I would spend the next six months recording all incidences, a diary if you will. If they approach you in anyway then record their actions/voices via your phone.

this will give you something concrete to approach the environmental health department who are then obliged to investigate/follow up. Sometimes all you need is a little intervention from the Authorities is all that’s needed to quieten these sorts down.

these neighbours know that you are not going to go toe to toe with them so you need the support of the authority to gain he upper hand. It will take a little time and patience on your part.

[Goodbadugly]

I think I would spend the next six months recording all incidences, a diary if you will. If they approach you in anyway then record their actions/voices via your phone.

this will give you something concrete to approach the environmental health department who are then obliged to investigate/follow up. Sometimes all you need is a little intervention from the Authorities is all that’s needed to quieten these sorts down.

these neighbours know that you are not going to go toe to toe with them so you need the support of the authority to gain he upper hand. It will take a little time and patience on your part.

Thanks Onestepatatime

Yes I agree, it will probably be a long road and will not happen overnight.

I carry a voice recorder on my keyring and my wife only leaves the house with body camera,
It was the body camera that was used last week when he got a police warning,
but was disappointed he did not get charged

Currently the flag has been lowered to a max height of 4m to have more impact of the flag trespassing in our garden, all getting emailed to LA on Monday morning.

GBU

[45002]

looks like I will have to send recorded letters politely asking for flags to be moved,
followed with legal threat if nothing happens.
GBU.

I wouldn't use recorded delivery, people can and do refuse to sign for them

Send 2 identical letter from different post offices and use proof of posting instead https://personal.help.royalmail.com/...-of-posting%3F

Can you post some pictures of these flags so people can understand your problems more !

Are these neighbours, tenants, leaseholders or freeholder ?

Are you a tenant, leaseholders or freeholder ?

[Goodbadugly]

I wouldn't use recorded delivery, people can and do refuse to sign for them

Send 2 identical letter from different post offices and use proof of posting instead https://personal.help.royalmail.com/...-of-posting%3F

Can you post some pictures of these flags so people can understand your problems more !

Are these neighbours, tenants, leaseholders or freeholder ?

Are you a tenant, leaseholders or freeholder ?

Hi 45002,

All houses are owned,

Point taken with regards posting letters, can I not just post myself?

Tried to uploading photo's earlier but images are too big,
will have to crop and try again, probably Monday.
My wife has just shut the curtain to watch TV without seeing a flag within eye line.


Thanks,

GBU

[45002]

You can post a letter as normal if you want, the method I suggested a lot of people do knower days like LL serving notice so on, just in case one letters goes missing and at least you have proof of posting for the 2 letters.

[Goodbadugly]

You can post a letter as normal if you want, the method I suggested a lot of people do knower days like LL serving notice so on, just in case one letters goes missing and at least you have proof of posting for the 2 letters.

Hi 45002,

I'm just saying they are next door to me, if I post it myself when they are not in, I know they got the letter, and if the flags are still trespassing after a deadline then they are not interested and just want to be anti-social.

thanks

GBU