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Untenable Service Charges in flats - No ESW1

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  • Untenable Service Charges in flats - No ESW1

    Hi there

    I am a leaseholder in a block of flats, 60+ flats, that following the sad experience of Grenfell Tower in 2017, our building has failed a EWS1 certificate and a fire inspection has revealed 'highly inflammable polystyrene' in our walls. The block was a new build in 2010 where the developers went into administration and most of us bought our flats from the administrators.

    As an immediate result of this, the leaseholders are now being asked to fund ongoing Waking Watch costs of £5000+ a week, our building insurance has risen to approaching a quarter of a million pounds a year ( with equally mouth watering excesses being applied ) and we now also have to fund the building's existing fire alarm system to be upgraded to detect cladding fires which, they say, will reduce the need for Waking watch.

    The residents are aware of current government initiatives to address this problem of unsafe cladding/build by a change in leasehold legislation, also the Defective Buildings fund that i being rolled out but has finite funds available and we are also making application under the NHBC ten year insurance plan to cover the cost of any defective build and, hopefully, the waking watch costs and insurance hikes as a result.

    All of that is of course an if, but or a maybe and the residents simply have to 'roll over' and absorb these frightening increases in money demands and service charges. There are a few leaseholders here I suspect who are well heeled enough to absorb these crushing costs but the majority are either on fixed or pensionable income, a few live off savings and welfare but many simply find the demands totally untenable and can only pay a fraction of what is being asked. We are all suffering stress and anxiety at it all and many do not know where to turn. The managing agents are taking a 'softly softly approach' and have already indicated that there will be no aggressive moves to enforce service charge debts but I have already said I do not know how they can say that and yet represent the landlord in their duty to collect the charge.

    I hear that some tribunals have already taken place across the country to judge this very position and the adjudgment has always been, apparently, that even in unprecedented times, the increases in service charge are correct and payable.

    I'm really looking for some experience here that dictates how those of us who simply cannot meet these charges should proceed. The Waking Watch is of course a financial killer and I personally am being billed for some £600 every six weeks for that item alone which is something I have zero means to budget for. There is a feeling that people buy leasehold properties fully aware of the need to pay service charges and these would be declared in the management pack that comes with the potential sale and lays down specific and recent figures of service charge expenditure. But when we factor in unprecedented experiences ( like Grenfell and its effect across the industry ) we can see that 'the buyer being aware' becomes now beyond reasonable judgement.

    In the meantime, I can only assume we can only pay as individuals what we can afford and within our anticipated budgets going forward. Is it possible that if sufficient debt accrues in the service charge account for the whole building, the landlord could ever be in a position of insolvency? He has already indicated that he is not prepared to loan funds to cover waking watches, fire alarm installation etc.
    Last edited by Snoopy1948; 2nd January 2021, 13:54:PM.
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  • #2
    This situation is a national disgrace. Perhaps try Landlord Zone forum to find people with personal experience. Sorry I can't help.

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    • #3
      Thank you for your reply and agreed, it is indeed a national disgrace supported currently by many social media pages and movements within government to deal with the financial impact on decent people who have done nothing wrong.

      Two questions that I wondered if people could please comment on :

      (1) Our leases state that we have to pay 'reasonable' service charges but my question is that as these have spiralled by up to 300% due to the Waking Watch charges ( £5000+ a week! ) and massive building insurance hikes, when does 'reasonable' become 'unreasonable'?

      (2) I have seen an incidence where a man has inherited his mothers flat with all the aforementioned problems, Waking Watch charges, massive building insurance premium hikes, extended fire alarm systems and the prospect of mouth watering remedial building costs. He is obviously going to inherit those charges and he has asked if he can decline the inheritance as on paper is it just one big millstone. My question is what can I do to prevent my children inheriting such a situation if I were to die tomorrow?

      All comments appreciated ..

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      • #4
        Not responding to question 1), but one answer to 2) is that a beneficiary does not have to accept a legacy.

        If a beneficiary disclaims his legacy it is the whole of the gift that must be disclaimed

        Regarding your personal situation, perhaps you have a bete noir to whom you could bequeath it

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        • #5
          Regarding your personal situation, perhaps you have a bete noir to whom you could bequeath it [/QUOTE]

          Thank you Des8! I've learned a new phrase tonight! So could I therefore, in theory, leave bank and Premium Bond assets to my children and leave the leasehold interest of the flat to a completely different party, this bete noire? I certainly don't want to lumber my son and daughter with any ongoing ( and not insubstantial ) costs as my daughter has no means although my son does.

          This is indeed a national scandal and our tenant association ( we lost the RTM alas ) is in deep discussion regarding a defective building claim under the insurance backed NHBC and they are also registering for the Government safe Building Fund which has finite funding and a lot of property to cover!

          As for having to pay 'reasonable' service charges, I think we concluded that such charges become 'unreasonable' when they become untenable and the definition of that of course will vary from leaseholder to leaseholder based on their individual financial status.



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          • #6
            That suggestion was a bit tongue in cheek, altho' you can leave your estate (or parts of it) to whomever you wish....( even the Crown to help alleviate homelessness!)
            However the beneficiary doesn't have to accept the gift and if declined it would automatically fall back into the residue.
            If no one accepts the inheritance it passes back to the Crown and the Treasury Solicitor becomes responsible for it.

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