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  • New Dog Law

    Hi all

    Was just wondering if anyone else has figured out the actual changes in this. I was made to believe that this now also included your dog being threatening to the public even if on your own land and not just in public!!

    The reason I ask is that there is a detached property on the end of the fields where we go walking and the owners dog (whenever we, or, anyone else walks past) comes flying at the fence (which is squared wire not full fence panels) barking and snarling and this consequently is very unnerving - particularly when you are not expecting it.

    As I was of the above belief I reported this to the police after my dog spun round after being taken by surprise, fell down, and sustained a cut to his leg. The person to whom I spoke when I called asked me to hold whilst they looked at the new law. He then said yes, fine, he would get officers to have a polite word and gave me an incident number.

    This was around 2 weeks ago, today, said dog has done the same again and due to the muddy conditions I nearly got pulled off my feet by my dog - who - reacted to the dogs attack!

    When I called the police they said the last incident number was closed (with no action) as there was no offence committed and that "this is normal dog behaviour - what do you want us to do". I have spent a lot of time, money and (unlike a lot of dog owners) effort to ensure my dog is well behaved and this is ruining all my hard work and also making my dog nervous.

    You may ask - why don't I just go another way to this location? This would mean walking 3 sides of a square and the same back - some 8 miles further!! But why should I?? when this is a public right of way. It is, actually, a bridleway which a lot of dog owners use and most of them are responsible owners - some of which have experienced problems from this dog and its owner. Also, bearing in mind that it is only a matter of time before an innocent rider is using this path and their horse gets spooked by this dog and both horse and rider gets injured!!

    Any ideas please??

    This is the new law:-

    1. Overview

    It’s against the law to let a dog be dangerously out of control anywhere, such as:
    • in a public place
    • in a private place, eg a neighbour’s house or garden
    • in the owner’s home

    The law applies to all dogs.
    Some types of dogs are banned.
    Out of control

    Your dog is considered dangerously out of control if it:
    • injures someone
    • makes someone worried that it might injure them

    A court could also decide that your dog is dangerously out of control if either of the following apply:
    • it attacks someone’s animal
    • the owner of an animal thinks they could be injured if they tried to stop your dog attacking their animal


    Thanks

    Foxy
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  • #2
    Re: New Dog Law

    If a dog lives on a property siding a public footpath/bridleway, then IMO they need to be trained. If an untrained dog was to cause an accident, then (again IMO) the owner should be responsible.
    Debt is like any other trap, easy enough to get into, but hard enough to get out of.

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    • #3
      Re: New Dog Law

      Whilst you might find it unnerving, and the behaviour is making your dog nervous. IMO the police are correct if the dog is contained behind secure fencing.
      If the animal is securely confined it would be unreasonable to be worried about injury to self or companion animal.

      If a horse is spooked by a securely confined dog, the dog owners would, in the event of a court appearance be arguing that a horse that is liable to being startled by unexpected noises should not be on public rights of way. Police horses aren't spooked.

      Not saying that I necessarily agree with the arguments I put forward; just saying how as a dog owner, and ex owner of horses I would be arguing.

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      • #4
        Re: New Dog Law

        I do have to agree with [MENTION=39710]des8[/MENTION] ... while an uncontrolled dog that is NOT confined could be seen as a danger, a dog behind a fence/wall is enclosed (and as such cannot be seen as a problem)

        have you spoken to the owners?
        Debt is like any other trap, easy enough to get into, but hard enough to get out of.

        It doesn't matter where your journey begins, so long as you begin it...

        recte agens confido

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        Any advice I provide is given without liability, if you are unsure please seek professional legal guidance.

        I can be emailed if you need my help loading pictures/documents to your thread. My email address is Kati@legalbeagles.info
        But please include a link to your thread so I know who you are.

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        • #5
          Re: New Dog Law

          Even on private property a dog owner has to keep reasonable control of the animal within the property boundary. That includes running loose

          The Dangerous Dogs Act was amended due to the amount of Postmen being injured each year.

          In this situation you are not entering into that persons land where the dog is securred behind adequate fencing.

          No offence has been committed

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          • #6
            Re: New Dog Law

            Hi guys and many thanks for your replies.

            I just wanted to double check my understanding of the new law. It would appear unless you are entering the property then nothing can be done.

            Kati - unfortunately, the owner is very arrogant and thinks his dog is doing no wrong which I suppose is a reflection on his social attitude too! I am aware that other owners have experienced problems with him and his dog, for example, he thinks it is acceptable to let his dog (off lead) go up biting and winding up another dog (on lead) even though the other dogs owner has told him that his dog will eventually snap.

            Previously, we have waited 10 minutes for him to actually catch his dog and put it on his lead before we could pass and then he never even had the manners to thank us and let his dog pass 'scrabbling' (as I call it - when they are straining on the lead and pulling to get to your dog and are leant over with their feet scrabbling about lol) and growling and going for our dogs and he never even corrected it!. Luckily, on the one occasion when his dog was at the end of the bridlepath (and he was 2 fields away!!!) I only had my little dog with me who I could easily pick up before it got to her.

            Sadly, this man thinks he owns the surrounding property also and has no social manners whatsoever.. It is such a shame that people like this give responsible dog owners a bad name and also ruin what should be a nice relaxing walk.

            Des8 - I am also an ex horse owner (had them for 32 years) and whilst I appreciate what you are saying - my big lad was totally bomb proof - more bomb proof than the majority of horses and it took a lot to scare him, however, when any horse is approached suddenly, noisily, quickly and at the last minute the chances are they will shy just out of surprise as they are obviously not trained police horses! This does not mean they should not be allowed on what is, effectively, a bridlepath!!

            Thanks

            Foxy

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            • #7
              Re: New Dog Law

              Originally posted by Kati View Post
              If a dog lives on a property siding a public footpath/bridleway, then IMO they need to be trained. If an untrained dog was to cause an accident, then (again IMO) the owner should be responsible.
              Thanks Kati - this is exactly my view.

              I appreciate no dogs are perfect but to be causing such a nuisance and the owners not doing anything about it beggars belief - they don't even offer to call it away when they are in the garden - they just leave it to rush and bother people. As in many cases, the problem is on the top end of the lead - it's not the poor dogs fault!! If it has never received corrections (as the owners believe it is doing nothing wrong) then how can it learn right from wrong?

              Foxy

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              • #8
                Re: New Dog Law

                I actually agree with you and was just indicating how a probable defence would run.
                It is fundamentally the age old problem of "respect" and lack of!

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