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  • Safe Style UK

    Dare I say the word SAFESTYLE UK
    I read the posts that people have written on here and wonder why I didn't read before looking for feedback. My uncle passed away a few years ago now and I am very close with my elderly Aunt who is also severely disabled. I approached Safestyle to quote for two new windows to the front of my Aunts property. She has respiratory problems and the windows to the front were looking a bit tired. My initial enquiry was that of, 'do I need to be the homeowner to arrange for that and they said yes, when I confirmed that I was not they said they would still send someone around and it could be discussed. Within half an hour (Oh by the way grab a cuppa, this will be a long one!!) there was a knock at the door and it was two guys from Safestyle. They were very pressurising and eventually I agreed to sign there contract. I asked of the cooling off period and was very quickly advised 14 days but they are quite flexible so don't worry if you are outside of that. After they left and over the next week or so I researched the company, I wasn't pleased with the feedback and so I decided to cancel. My big mistake was not reading the contract as in no uncertain terms I was told I was too late and that the cooling off period was 7 days not 14 and as I had no proof of this conversation. I then read the contract in detail and saw that pretty much there was nothing I could do without any proof. The next step was a Surveyor to come around and measure up for the new windows. Being a surveyor myself I wasn't best pleased about the way he presented himself, he spent more time giving me a run down of how poorly he was treated by employers, he may as well of just left me his CV, not to mention the way he was taking down the measurements. I received a call from Safestyle after to arrange a date for the fitting of which afterwards I called them to change the date this was for a Friday as I work away and needed to be at the property as my elderly Aunt being disabled and vulnerable does not like contractors in the property without me being there. I also had the sales rep state on the contract that no sub contractors were to be used under any circumstances and this was written under the heading special conditions. I also noticed that there was another contract tucked away for building works for an additional £587.00, for a bow conversion but there were no additional works that would have been required. I called the office the week of the fit and they were not available nor were they returning my calls. Eventually after numerous calls they spoke with me only to say that the original fit date which was he following morning was the only thing they had on record and that is when the work was going to be done. I explained to them that this was not possible as I wasn't even in the area and they went absolutely mad, conveniently they only had a recording off my initial conversation agreeing to that and no record of anything else. I refused to accept that appointment and eventually they agreed but said it was not reasonable telling them only hours before the job, not taking into consideration any of the previous calls I had made.


    The following morning my Aunt called me in tears. She was very distressed and said that she was woken at 8.00 am with loud banging on the front door. She was so scared that she decided to stay in bed. After ten minutes of banging on the front door it went quiet...................for about 5 seconds.......hen loud banging started on the front window (her bedroom). With that she got out of bed and fell, after picking herself up off of the floor, which is no easy tsk as she is very frail, she got to the front door to see two men, scruffily dressed, no uniform, no marked van that she could see and no ID. They said that they were from Safestyle and had to fit some windows. When she refused the older man started shouting and swearing and said that she had to let them in because a contract was signed and they had work to do. She was so scared a their threatening behaviour that she put her foot in front of the door as she thought they were just going to come in regardless. Eventually she just shut the door in their face.


    I then received a call from their depot stating that they were not told the job was cancelled and they have a copy of the call with me agreeing that date. All of a sudden records of calls are despatched to there UK depots all over? Throughout that day I was constantly calling their office with no satisfaction other than I get the job done by them or they will see me in court. I spoke with a man who claims to be their Director who was continuously shouting at me down the telephone accusing me of fraud and telling me that I don't know what I am talking about so much to the point that he started putting words in my mouth. After over an hour of him screaming down the phone at me I ended the call, he then kept calling back shouting and so I kept hanging up. His emails after that were totally fabricated missing out his foul language, my Aunt has better memory than him and she is 75.


    I then started receiving emails from his so called collections department and after a lengthy trail of emails I agreed to buy the windows as my aunt did not want the company in her house and understandably so. After this was agreed they then said that on receipt of my debit card details they would deliver the windows......yeah like I am going to give these cowboys by bank card number! I responded to that by saying that payment would be made by cheque on delivery of pristine windows and a letter from them that if the measurements that they had taken were wrong I would be refunded for windows that would then not be fit for purpose. I then had a reply that these demands were not fit for purpose and that they will start the collection process to recover 60% of the contract value. I have now received court papers claiming over £2000. I am now trying to compile my defence against this as they did not send me a letter before commencing any action not to mention the way they have managed this so called contract that I am still not sure that they can enforce.


    My Aunt jumps every time the door goes, and as I am not the home owner can they do this, I am sure they can but I will put up a fight to at least prevent them from bullying others. Any help or advice would be much appreciated.
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  • #2
    Re: Safe Style UK

    Originally posted by techiboi View Post
    I then started receiving emails from his so called collections department and after a lengthy trail of emails I agreed to buy the windows as my aunt did not want the company in her house and understandably so. After this was agreed they then said that on receipt of my debit card details they would deliver the windows......yeah like I am going to give these cowboys by bank card number! I responded to that by saying that payment would be made by cheque on delivery of pristine windows and a letter from them that if the measurements that they had taken were wrong I would be refunded for windows that would then not be fit for purpose. I then had a reply that these demands were not fit for purpose and that they will start the collection process to recover 60% of the contract value. I have now received court papers claiming over £2000. I am now trying to compile my defence against this as they did not send me a letter before commencing any action not to mention the way they have managed this so called contract that I am still not sure that they can enforce.
    Could you post up the particulars of claim, removing your personal details? :typing:

    When did you receive the court papers? Your first step would be to acknowledge service of the claim, which you can do online, it has to be done within 14 days of service of the form. Tick the box stating your intention to defend the claim in full for now, which should give you a further 14 days to submit a defence. :thumb:

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    • #3
      Re: Safe Style UK

      I have acknowledged papers the claim just says defendant refused entry and so breach of contract I wasn't even at the property my aunt refused entry to the two sub contractors they use

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      • #4
        Re: Safe Style UK

        Hi Techniboi

        What you are going through sounds dreadful, I'm so sorry.

        However much you are in the right over this, you now have a court claim which will go before a judge who will only look at the evidence before him. You do need to calm right down and get all your ducks in an ordered row.

        If you post up your POC as FP has suggested then the very knowledgeable Beagles here will help you with your defence, or counterclaim(?) as appropriate.

        It might be a good idea to chart a strictly factual timeline of agreements/events as they unfolded, including the legal proceedings, in readiness for the court ( and for your own clarity of mind). Think always that the Judge will know nothing of the events except for the evidence before him on the day and will not be at all interested in emotional responses. :tinysmile_kiss_t4:

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        • #5
          Re: Safe Style UK

          Hi the POC are as follows:

          The defendant refused access on XXXXXXXX and therefore contract breached, then they go on to the cost which equates to 60% of contract value plus interest. The fail to say that they sent sub contractors to do the work which they have confirmed to me after the event, that they agreed the day before not to send anyone that day which was mutually agreed on the telephone. I aske them for a copy all calls but they have picked only the ones that may support them no where near the amount of calls I had made. The guys that came to the property had no ID or uniforms, my aunt has also said she could not see a van, and they told her to go inside and sit down and she was not about to leave the door open for them to just walk in, she will write a full statement but should I go into all this detail with out proof or just answer what they have put in the claim? solicitors dont seem to want to know because of the cost they would charge, I have told the company that I have no assets but I think the route they are taking is get a judgement and enforce it when he has got something we can take.

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          • #6
            Re: Safe Style UK

            Can you scan the Terms & Conditions part of the contract so we can see it please

            Safestyle play hardball--so we need to be aware of everything

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            • #7
              Re: Safe Style UK

              im not an expert how do I attach a doc?

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              • #8
                Re: Safe Style UK

                It's debatable who breached the contract first, isn't it?

                I also had the sales rep state on the contract that no sub contractors were to be used under any circumstances and this was written under the heading special conditions.
                The fail to say that they sent sub contractors to do the work which they have confirmed to me after the event, that they agreed the day before not to send anyone that day which was mutually agreed on the telephone.
                I'm not an expert in this, Techniboi, but there are those on here who are.

                It really would be a good idea to write this down, numbered point by numbered point, as to what happened when. Try to purge it of all righteous indignation and emotion (however justified!) , just the plain facts.

                EG

                1. contract agreed (date)
                1 (i) Cooling off period verbally agreed
                (ii) C O period changed on T& Cs
                2.(i) etc, etc..

                Even if you don't have verifiable documentary evidence of conversations, record them on the timeline (what was agreed, what happened and when).

                And keep a detailed diary of all contact.

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                • #9
                  Re: Safe Style UK

                  Originally posted by techiboi View Post
                  im not an expert how do I attach a doc?
                  Click on "Go Advanced" , choose "manage attachments", choose from my PC (make sure it's one of the approved formats) click upload wait for ages, then click OK (I think that's right!)

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                  • #10
                    Re: Safe Style UK

                    really green now, I cant see go advances, I clicked insert image and it says
                    insert url

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                    • #11
                      Re: Safe Style UK

                      think I did it yeeeeh
                      Attached Files

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                      • #12
                        Re: Safe Style UK

                        Originally posted by techiboi View Post
                        really green now, I cant see go advances, I clicked insert image and it says
                        insert url
                        did you click "go Advanced"?

                        You need to do that then scroll down then you should get a menu that allows you to browse on your computer?

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                        • #13
                          Re: Safe Style UK

                          HI
                          The cancellation would have probably been in accordance with these http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2...chedule/4/made, i doubt that they would have gotten these wrong probably well versed in this particular practice. High pressure sale mislead the customer into thinking they have more time to cancel than they actually have all sounds very familiar.

                          Can I ask whose property was this, who signed for the windows(the contract) and to whom was the POC addressed and where. The answer to all three questions should be the same person.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Safe Style UK

                            That's just the thing when I enquirer I specifically asked if I had to be the homeowner and they said speak to the sales rep he said don't worry about it when he came round when I told him the house wasn't mine. On their own web site they say you have to be the homeowner of have the express permission in writing. My aunt owns the house she refused to let them in because of how they behaved they had no uniforms no I'd and. Dint even appear to have the windows with them. So the answer is I'm not the home owner the poc were to me and I signed the contract at this time they cannot charge the house as it's not mine I think they want to get the judgement and then wait assuming then the house will be mine

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                            • #15
                              Re: Safe Style UK

                              Then your defense is a simple one.
                              Their POC says that you breached the contract because you did not let them install the goods in your home.

                              But you did not agree to let them install the goods in your home, you could not, it was not your home.

                              The home owner made no such agreement she was well within her rights to refuse access to the tradesmen. She signed no contract to say that she must.

                              It is a problem when you try and rush people into making purchases, they really must get their ducks in a row otherwise they come unstuck as they have here.

                              If they want to pursue you for purchasing windows to which you did not have a house then they must change their POC, then get the judge to believe that it would be equitable for you to do such a thing, good luck with that.

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