How to send bailiffs to a debtor who refuses court orders without fail?

[bluebottle]

Re: How to send bailiffs to a debtor who refuses court orders without fail?

Hi,

Thank you for your comment, Bluebottle.
I am not 100% sure what you mean by `Does not matter` on the issue of public or private and the size of the crime. I believe that `it does not matter in legal sense`.
It does matter when those victims consider the lengthy (and complicated) process of taking the issue further after realizing their money has gone.

If I fail to send the bailiffs or retrieve the money the debtor owes, then I would definitely contact Trading Standards or HMRC. I am not familiar with these contacting process, so will research.

I agree that it is `fraud` rather than theft according to the act on False misrepresentation.
However, it would be very difficult to present evidence though..

Regards

I'm speaking as a former police officer, Dave. A single offence on its own, unless it involves violence or a large sum of money, is not going to get the local police off their backsides and do what they are paid to do. However, if an offender commits a series of similar offences which have the same or a similar modus operandi (method of offence) which, when taken together, amount to a significant amount of money, then the police should investigate. If there are a number of complainants and the amounts, when added together, come to over £2,000 in total, I would kick the local police up the backside if they come out with the "It's a civil matter" song. If elderly people are complainants, the decent, honest police officers that are still on the force will want to shake the offender warmly by the throat when they catch up with him. Any crime involving elderly people or children as the victim will almost always get police officers' backs up.

[Dave19621510]

Re: How to send bailiffs to a debtor who refuses court orders without fail?

I'm speaking as a former police officer, Dave. A single offence on its own, unless it involves violence or a large sum of money, is not going to get the local police off their backsides and do what they are paid to do. However, if an offender commits a series of similar offences which have the same or a similar modus operandi (method of offence) which, when taken together, amount to a significant amount of money, then the police should investigate. If there are a number of complainants and the amounts, when added together, come to over £2,000 in total, I would kick the local police up the backside if they come out with the "It's a civil matter" song. If elderly people are complainants, the decent, honest police officers that are still on the force will want to shake the offender warmly by the throat when they catch up with him. Any crime involving elderly people or children as the victim will almost always get police officers' backs up.

HI,
Thank you for your comment. I totally appreciate the information you provided here.

I understand that the series of similar modus operandi will be investigated by the authorities, but not a single offence. This is due to the amount of resources available and the level of seriousness involved which are understandable under the current social climate.

I am not investigating all the offences this individual has committed. So I can not report this debtor to the police as an `offender`: I only suffered once. All I know is what I hear from himself and people around him: therefore I said it would be difficult to provide evidences.
This debtor's modus operandi is `Occasional`... The life is secured with benefits, so whenever the occasion comes, he deceives people to gain profit. So, it is not `planned` or `organized` or `targetted` offences: as in mobile phone scam I explained above, or if he wants a mobile phone, he approaches kind-hearted people with money and vulnerability and ask for money, promising he returns the money in certain dates, and vanish after raking in money.

As I said above, it certainly is up to the people who release the money unfortunately.
But I feel responsible to pursue this retrieving procedure as far as I can to see how much it can help others, although I m seen as a stupid person throwing money and time away to try to get blood out of the stone. I will inform others the danger of this individual and knowledge I gained here.

Another issue is that victims are not elderly or children: (well...as far as I know..)
I said `Vulnerable` which meant people with disability or not (physically and mentally) strong enough to confront this debtor.
I apologize if the wording was not appropriate and caused confusion.

Regards

[bluebottle]

Re: How to send bailiffs to a debtor who refuses court orders without fail?

If matey is on benefits, have you mentioned this to the DWP or HMRC? It is a requirement of all benefit claimants to report any income or work. You might find them remarkably helpful. Catch my drift?

[Dave19621510]

Re: How to send bailiffs to a debtor who refuses court orders without fail?

If matey is on benefits, have you mentioned this to the DWP or HMRC? It is a requirement of all benefit claimants to report any income or work. You might find them remarkably helpful. Catch my drift?

Hi,

I understand. It would be another responsibility a member of public should take.
Once again, thank you for your comment.

Regards

[bluebottle]

Re: How to send bailiffs to a debtor who refuses court orders without fail?

DWP Fraud Investigation Section work closely with the main law enforcement agencies, e.g. police, Customs. If the character you are having problems with is on benefits, receiving income and not declaring this to DWP, he is committing an offence in addition to any other offences he has committed against other members of the community. You have nothing to lose by calling DWP Fraud Investigation Section and shopping him. If DWP decide to act, the police will become involved at some point and statements will be taken from those he extracted money in order to prove offences he has committed against DWP. If the police have any sense, they will include the offences he has committed against individuals as this would earn him a heavier penalty.