Mindless malicious vandalism

[bluebottle]

Re: Mindless malicious vandalism

If the area from where these little so-and-sos are throwing the stones belongs to the supermarket, the supermarket operator is, in my opinion, responsible and should do something to deter them. Under Common Law, any owner/occupier of a building or land has a responsibility to ensure that anyone who enters into, encroaches onto or resides in or on, or occupies a building or land they have ownership or control of does not commit a Breach of the Peace. Yes, I know it is an archaic piece of law, but it is still around. The other issue that comes to mind is that the supermarket's trading hours are subject to planning laws. See if any neighbours have experienced similar aggravation from the little so-and-sos and, if so, complain, en masse, to the Planning Department of your local council.

[help4u]

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I know this may be of little consolation to you but I have in the past had problems with school children causing damage. The majority of the time they goad you to try and get a reaction, the more you react, the more they come back. When they are throwing stones etc, do you go out and shout at them etc? If so I would advise you to TRY not to react and just telephone the police on each occasion. It can be very frustrating I know and even make you ill at times but eventually if they get no reaction, they tend to get bored and stop.

Good advice previously from everyone, may I also add have you spoken to the head office/regional office of the supermarket as well as the branch manager?

yes I informed the CEO of the company/

[MissFM]

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I think the "Mosquito" is a brilliant idea. I believe it has achieved undreamt of success in Welsh town centres. (Not a joke, contrary to appearances, btw)

[labman]

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Leylandii? Fast growing and effective. Who does the actual fence belong to, you or the supermarket?

[CleverClogs]

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I somehow forgot to mention the simplest method of stopping the buggers climbing the fence - cover it with cooking fat !

The fat must be solid at room temperature - lard, dripping, bacon fat or chip fat would all be suitable - and it should be well used, as the dirtier and smellier it might be, the better it would deter the vandals. If it has bits of burnt food in it, so much the better!

Just pour it over the top of the fence so that it flows over the side facing the supermarket.

[PlanB]

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to persuade them to bugger off and bother someone else, try a Mosquito. (link)

^^^^ Thank you for that link Cloggy which I found genuinely fascinating (no sarcasm this time). Why would the ears of a 23 year old not *hear* the same sounds of (say) a 25 year old? Does this mean a human being's hearing starts to deteriorate from the age of 23 onwards assuming that's not already been caused by too many visits to Glastonbury?

I ran the test for the over sixties on that website and I couldn't hear a thing (probably because I'm over 60 :rolleyes2: ). I now feel a whole new lease of life coming over me whereby I can go to my nearest Tesco car park and start throwing stones at unsuspecting neighbours' windows safe in the knowledge that this 'pest control' device won't effect me.

Since we are a legal website shouldn't we look at the possibility of one of these ASBO aspiring thugs suing the OP for a damaged eardrum?

[MissFM]

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^^^^ Thank you for that link Cloggy which I found genuinely fascinating (no sarcasm this time). Why would the ears of a 23 year old not *hear* the same sounds of (say) a 25 year old? Does this mean a human being's hearing starts to deteriorate from the age of 23 onwards assuming that that's not already happened from too many visits to Galstonbury?

I ran the test for the over sixties on that website and I couldn't hear a thing (probably because I'm over 60 :rolleyes2: ). I now feel a whole new lease of life coming over me whereby I can go to my nearest Tesco car park and start throwing stones at unsuspecting neighbours' windows safe in the knowledge that this 'pest control' device won't effect me.

Since we are a legal website shouldn't we look at the possibility of one of these ASBO aspiring thugs suing the OP for a damaged eardrum?

Teenagers, like some animals, can detect much higher frequencies of sound and as we get older (beyond our teens like ourselves, PB) these frequencies are lost to us.

The genius behind the "Mosquito" is that it is extremely uncomfortable for the age range most likely to be attracted to the kind of destructive exuberance described above.

[PlanB]

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The fat must be solid at room temperature - lard, dripping, bacon fat or chip fat would all be suitable - and it should be well used, as the dirtier and smellier it might be, the better it would deter the vandals. If it has bits of burnt food in it, so much the better!

Just pour it over the top of the fence so that it flows over the side facing the supermarket.

As recommended by Nigella Lawson?

[labman]

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Teenagers, like some animals, can detect much higher frequencies of sound and as we get older (beyond our teens like ourselves, PB) these frequencies are lost to us.

The genius behind the "Mosquito" is that it is extremely uncomfortable for the age range most likely to be attracted to the kind of destructive exuberance described above.

It's feels somehow good to be able to liken a teenager (I have a teenage daughter) to my dog. For any animal lovers (like me - aka softies!) the sound can really irritate an animal. I don't like that idea - fine for the teenagers, they can move on which is the point of them, but a dog may be tied up outside the shop, and its owner blissfully unaware that they are causing distress to their animal.

Re Plan B's comment - yes, the ability to hear high frequencies begins to deteriorate at quite a young age. Trained ears delay this process, so classical musicians can often hear higher frequencies than one might expect for their age.

It also shows up the notion of sound actually just being air vibrating. If the sound is sustained, even if you can't hear it, you can develop an uncomfortable feeling in your head. Obviously the faster the air vibrates, the higher the pitch.

[PlanB]

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so classical musicians can often hear higher frequencies than one might expect for their age. It also shows up the notion of sound actually just being air vibrating. If the sound is sustained, even if you can't hear it, you can develop an uncomfortable feeling in your head. Obviously the faster the air vibrates, the higher the pitch.

Which obviously explains why I could still hear Mick Jagger loud and clear when I went to his Hyde Park concert in July :drum: That particular Rolling Stones performance most definitely didn't leave me with an uncomfortable feeling in my head. I was transported back to my 60's Rock Chick phase but I'm now worried that my daughter and her mates who were with me at the time may not have heard the same musical brilliance as me

[des8]

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.....and its right now being played on BBC 1

[Tools]

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Very interesting, just for fun, and to subtly divert the discussion elsewhere . I have posted a little comparison test for everyone in the Lamp Post :music: , see how everyone gets on.

http://www.legalbeagles.info/forums/...301#post378301

[help4u]

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The fence belongs to the Supermarket.

[charitynjw]

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I somehow forgot to mention the simplest method of stopping the buggers climbing the fence - cover it with cooking fat !

The fat must be solid at room temperature - lard, dripping, bacon fat or chip fat would all be suitable - and it should be well used, as the dirtier and smellier it might be, the better it would deter the vandals. If it has bits of burnt food in it, so much the better!

Just pour it over the top of the fence so that it flows over the side facing the supermarket.

Ok, that's the hooligans sorted.

Now to deal with the cat infestation.................

[PlanB]

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The fence belongs to the Supermarket.

I think you'll find you have legal rights under The Party Wall Act if the fence is erected on your property's boundary line