Copy of certified copy

[Whamcloud]

Hi,

This feels like a dumb question, but I am open to being amazed.

I am in the process of concluding a dispute via a solicitor, who has asked for a certified copy of my ID.

I said I would have a certified copy made, and then it would need to be sent to him - his answer was no need. You can just send us a copy of the certified copy.

This makes no sense to me, so little sense that I struggle with the concept that someone could think it does make sense.

Am I wrong?

If I am wrong, why don't I just fake the copy?

Is a copy of the copy a certified copy?

What stops me photo copying the real Whamcloud's certified copy and just pretending to be him?

I'm guessing the copy is needed for money laundering regulations.

Thanks in advance.

[atticus]

Why not just do what your solicitor asks? You can always post him the original certified copy after having scanned and emailed it.

[Whamcloud]

Why not just do what your solicitor asks? You can always post him the original certified copy after having scanned and emailed it.

Sorry, maybe I ranted a bit; my concern is not about sending him a copy of the certified copy or sending him an original certified copy. My question is about the integrity of a certified copy.

If solicitors are going to charge hundreds of pounds an hour, they should do things right, and I can't understand how asking for a copy of a certified copy can make any sense.

This seems to agree with me, but I can't find anything in UK:space. https://xeniacompliance.com.au/insig...ertified-copy/

So, is a photocopy of a certified copy useful in law, and if so, why is a photocopy of the original not useful?

PS. It is not my solicitor; I don't have one because of these sorts of simple student errors, which I won't pay for.

[atticus]

Many solicitors use additional client verification software. have you made the simple student error of not checking?

[atticus]

The OP may not be aware that many law firms use additional resources to verify client identity for anti money-laundering checks.

[Whamcloud]

I am aware of that. - I gave context rather than make this a simple contextless question

Can I try again?

What is the value of an uncertified copy of a certified copy?
Or to ask the question in another what what is the purpose of a certified copy?

Thanks

[atticus]

A certified copy has been verified to be a copy of the original. A copy of that certified copy can be checked with the certifier. I have been asked such questions on occasion. As I say, there are additional means of verifying identities, so it may be a student error to regard what you have been asked to do as a first step in that process as being the last or only one.

[Whamcloud]

Let's put aside the reason for the need for the certification.

How does the certifier, on receipt of the uncertified copy of the certified copy, know that the uncertified copy has not been altered?

Is a certifier expected to keep copies of every document they have ever certified for all time? So they can compare the uncertified copy with the original.

If they did have a copy of the original and looked at the uncertified copy, they would be certifying it - and hence turning it into a certified copy.

Or, to put it another way - an uncertified copy of a certified copy must be certified before it is of use.

You seem to be confirming that a copy of a certified copy is only valid once it has been certified.

[atticus]

Does anyone else feel like engaging with the OP on this?

[PallasAthena]

I am not over-concerned about loose ends in the minutae of processes in the world's financial systems as that is how it will always be. Personally the OP's concerns don't bother me at all so my answer to your question Atticus is 'no'. It simply isn't worth me worrying about as it's just one step in a process. I am only concerned about whether the processes overall work - stop by ID being stolen, my money being stolen and laundered, or whatever.

[Whamcloud]

I am not over-concerned about loose ends in the minutae of processes in the world's financial systems, as that is how it will always be. Personally the OP's concerns don't bother me at all so my answer to your question Atticus is 'no'. It simply isn't worth me worrying about as it's just one step in a process. I am only concerned about whether the processes overall work - stop by ID being stolen, my money being stolen and laundered, or whatever.

The question was not about financial systems, it was about the value of a certified copy - or uncertified copy.

So, if a solicitor will accept a photo copy of a certified copy. Then you are happy for me to send this, and it proves that I have that passport?

Or to provide a use case - if I claim to be Angela Zoe for receiving money, a solicitor would be doing their job properly if they accepted the below as proof of identity, and give me the contents of her Nigerian bank account.

I apologise if I mistook this forum as something for discussing the correctness of the law.

[PallasAthena]

Tagging admin to remove the image in OP's post above. I've no idea whether it is OP's passport or someone else's bu either way it shouldn't be posted here - ID security risk. EXC ULA It may be a fake/specimen but I don't have the time or inclination to check it.

[atticus]

Tagging admin to remove the image in OP's post above. I've no idea whether it is OP's passport or someone else's bu either way it shouldn't be posted here - ID security risk. EXC ULA It may be a fake/specimen but I don't have the time or inclination to check it.

It's a specimen - it says so in at least 2 places (I had had the same thought). It isn't a genuine UK passport.

[Whamcloud]

It was/is an image from the internet to illustrate a point, so no security risk.

The point was that from what both of you say (specimen aside) this would be a valid form of ID for a solicitor to accept. Because it is a copy of a certified copy and those are acceptable to you both.

The authenticity of an image of an ID is apparently a piece of minutiae in the process of proving an ID.

[ULA]

Although it is a specimen I have removed it to avoid confusion.