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  • Public Liability Insurance claim

    On 23rd May 2008, at 13.52 hrs, whilst my vehicle was parked in an access lane, the loaded wheeled bin belonging to the premises next door, rolled down the lane and ran into the rear of my vehicle damaging the rear spoiler above the boot.

    I requested details of their public liability insurance at the time, but this was ignored, along with subsequent letters to their registered office. I have just recently found out that the business was insured through AXA, and have asked them to send me the necessary claim forms to complete.


    To date they have not done this.


    I have two people that witnessed the incident and are prepared to give statements to that effect, and I took several photographs of the incident moments after it occurred. I wrote two “recorded delivery” letters to the insured at their registered office, both of which were ignored by them. On 21st July 2008, I issued a claim through the Northampton County Court, for the amount of £599.25 + costs and interest, this claim was not disputed by the other party and no defence was offered, therefore Judgement was entered on 13th August 2008, for the amount of £659.25 + interest.

    Before I took the decision to pass the matter to the courts, I made various enquiries to find out who the other party was insured with, and it was not until after judgment was entered that I found out that the other party was insured through AXA, and I would now like to pursue a claim in that respect.


    This was their response:


    "Thank you for your letter and enclosures dated 27 November 2008.
    In light of your comments we have now written to the registered address
    of the insured for additional information. A 21 day deadline has been given failing which, if no response is provided, we will proceed to close our file.

    The comments made in the third paragraph of your letter have been noted. While we are sympathetic to the situation you find yourself in, unfortunately there is no legal requirement for our insured to hold public liability insurance or indeed report an incident to their insurers.

    Clearly, if an incident does occur and they do not report the matter then potentially they are in breach of their terms and conditions. This is the situation we are faced with at present.

    We will be in touch again just as soon as our time restraints have expired.

    If you have any queries, please contact us on the above telephone number. To enable us to respond to your enquiry more quickly, please quote our reference as above".


    Can anyone enlighten me as to what my legal position is with regard to this claim?

    Many Thanks

    Derek

  • #2
    Re: Public Liability Insurance claim

    If judgement has been entered against them you need to enforce that judgement.
    there is a thread in the GUIDEs section regarding warrants of execution and bailiffs. Unless there is a reason i am missing why you aren't going down that route ?
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    • #3
      Re: Public Liability Insurance claim

      Public Liability insurance is not compulsory for all businesses and if they do not have a policy then AXA are not liable, even if they provide cover for other areas of the business.

      However, if the company, through negligence, have caused damage or loss to you, then you are entitled to pursue a claim against them.

      I would continue by issuing a warrant of execution to enforce your claim. Be aware however, that since the judgment you have obtained was by default, the Defendant may well apply to have the warrant suspended and the original judgment set aside.

      I am curious to learn why, since the judgment was entered in August last year, you have failed to enforce it?

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      • #4
        Re: Public Liability Insurance claim

        In July last year they were evicted from the premises next door, having not paid their rent, they are a limited company, and all the correspondence has been sent to their registered office. Basically I have not issued a warrant for seizure of goods as I believe they have no money or assets, and owe money all over the place, and to issue a warrant would incur me in extra costs.

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        • #5
          Re: Public Liability Insurance claim

          If they have no money or assets then perhaps you should consider writing off the loss. You cannot take the knickers off a bare arse.

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          • #6
            Re: Public Liability Insurance claim

            If you read my first post, you will see that I am pursuing an insurance claim, as at the time of the incident they were insured with AXA, what I would like to know is:

            If the other party doesn't notify their insurance company know about the incident can I still pursue a claim? If not then if every time there was an incident with a possible public liability claim, the insured only have to not notify their insurance company and nothing will happen.

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            • #7
              Re: Public Liability Insurance claim

              If you had read my first post you will see that, just because they have a policy with AXA it does not necessarily follow that they will have Public Liability cover as part of that policy, as it is not compulsory for most businesses. Maybe they are not covered and this is why they failed to report it. Certainly the letter from AXA would tend to suggest this.

              If they have PL insurance cover and have maintained their premium, AXA may pay a claim, but even if they were provided with PL insurance, but have failed to maintain their payments, AXA are unlikely to pay because the policy will have lapsed.

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              • #8
                Re: Public Liability Insurance claim

                Originally posted by derekpayne View Post
                If you read my first post, you will see that I am pursuing an insurance claim, as at the time of the incident they were insured with AXA, what I would like to know is:

                If the other party doesn't notify their insurance company know about the incident can I still pursue a claim? If not then if every time there was an incident with a possible public liability claim, the insured only have to not notify their insurance company and nothing will happen.

                If they had PL cover in force at the time of the incident then AXA ARE obliged to settle your claim.

                They may argue that the premiums where not continued or that their now ex client didn't notify them. Neither of these arguments are valid & you must seek to enforce your judgment against AXA

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                • #9
                  Re: Public Liability Insurance claim

                  If I might just stick my two pennorth in.

                  You say you were parked in an access road, well when we had our old business premises we had an access road and no one was allowed to park in it, as it was strictly for access only. So all I am saying is if you were to pursue a claim just be ready for them to argue that you was not supposed to be parked there anyway as it was an access only road.

                  Just my opinion.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Public Liability Insurance claim

                    Is there any reason that you didnt use your vehicle insurance to do this claim??

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                    • #11
                      Re: Public Liability Insurance claim

                      Being parked no matter how badly (or even unlawfully) is not justification to cause damage & is still considered negligence on the part of the 3rd party

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                      • #12
                        Re: Public Liability Insurance claim

                        I agree with you Righty, but I'm merely trying to point out that it could be used as an argument to get out of paying up, and lets face it right or wrong no-one should park somewhere they shouldn't. But I'm not going to get embroiled in a discussion on parking.

                        Just my opinion as I said earlier.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Public Liability Insurance claim

                          Thanks everyone for your input.

                          Firstly the access lane is owned by the landlord of our premises and the next door one, he has given me permission to park both our cars there, and he is a witness to the incident.

                          Secondly I did not go through my own insurance company as this particular vehicle is only TPFT, so they are not interested.

                          At the time of writing the 21 days AXA gave the other party to respond has elapsed, so I am now awaiting their communication.

                          I will keep you all posted as to progress.

                          Cheers

                          Derek

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                          • #14
                            Re: Public Liability Insurance claim

                            Although only TPT do you have legal expense cover if so they should still act to recover your losses

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                            • #15
                              Re: Public Liability Insurance claim

                              No unfortunately, I have already looked into that, thanks anyway.

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