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  • High Court ruling attacks 'bits of legal boilerplate, bolted together'

    A court has attacked lawyers who let word processors do their thinking for them. Standard paragraphs are being bolted together to make nonsensical agreements, said a High Court ruling on Friday.

    A company seeking to make fuel more efficient and less polluting and a nanotechnology company signed an agreement about how to collaborate. The nanotechnology company was given access to the first company's know-how and material covered by a patent application.

    The agreement, though, was ambiguous and drafted by someone without "a deep understanding of the relevant law", according to Mr Peter Prescott QC, sitting as a Deputy High Court judge.

    Mr Prescott said that word processors have made it easier for those drafting contracts to create agreements which are ambiguous, error-filled or unclear of purpose.

    "The secret of drafting legal documents was best described by Nicolas Boileau, who was not only a literary critic but a qualified lawyer: 'Ce que l'on conçoit bien s'énonce clairement et les mots pour le dire arrivent aisément'," said Mr Prescott in his ruling. "What one conceives well can be stated with clarity and the words to say it come easily. We should all have that framed and displayed on our desks."

    "But too often the opposite precept is followed. Bits of legal boilerplate are bolted together so that it is the words that are allowed to shape the concept instead of the other way round. In that regard the invention of the word processor has worked wonders. Sometimes, I fear, it has dispensed with the 'concept' altogether. Misfortune not infrequently follows," he said.

    Mr Prescott ruled on the nanotechnology case in which much hinged on the exact meaning of the words 'application' and 'or'.

    Neuftec came up with the idea of injecting lanthanoid elements into fuel to increase efficiency and reduce fuel emissions. It agreed to share its idea with university nanotechnology spin-out Oxonica Energy, which would work on the scientific implementation of the idea.

    Neuftec made an international patent application according to the Patent Cooperation Treaty (PCT) and the two companies signed an agreement in which Oxonica agreed to pay Neuftec royalties for the use of material covered by the patent.

    PCT patent applications are assessed by individual countries which grant or reject patents in relation to the claimed inventions. In Neuftec's case many countries granted patents that covered more limited ground than the PCT application and some rejected it.

    Oxonica claimed that it only had to pay royalties for sales in those countries which granted patents covering the technology. It asked the High Court to confirm its position.

    The agreement ordered the payment of royalties in relation to "any product, process or use falling within the scope of the claims in the Licensed Application or Licensed Patent".

    Neuftec argued that the agreement covered not just material covered by granted patents in particular countries but anything covered in its original PCT patent application.

    Mr Prescott pointed out a number of malapropisms, poor uses of terms and drafting errors which made interpretation of the agreement difficult. The biggest problem, though, centred on two definitional questions.

    There was a dispute over the word 'application' and whether it referred to material for which a patent was successfully granted in a particular country, as Oxonica claimed, or whether it referred to anything contained in the actual PCT patent application document, as Neuftec claimed.

    The parties also disputed the interpretation of the word 'or'. Oxonica said that the application became the patent and the royalties were to be paid for the granted patent or the pending application, depending which was in existence at the time. They could not both exist at the same time, it said.

    Neuftec, though, said that the 'or' meant that the royalties were to be paid in relation to any material in a granted patent and any material in the PCT application.

    Mr Prescott said that in cases such as this a court had to take an active role in forcing an interpretation out of an ambiguous agreement.

    Previous court practice was to interpret agreements very literally to avoid "doing violence" to the exact language used by the agreement by over-interpreting them. Mr Prescott said that court practice had changed in modern times, though, and that courts had to try to ensure that the words in an agreement meant what the person drafting the agreement thought they should mean.

    "[When] two meanings are possible, perhaps even plausible … the court cannot just give up. All it can do is to find the interpretation that best accords with business common sense," he said. "And, in doing that, the court will not, in my judgment, be overly swayed by the consideration that it is "doing violence to the natural meaning of the language" if, as Lord Hoffmann pointed out in the later case, it would appear that it was the author of the document who did the violence."

    The problem was that the agreement was unclear and partially this was due to modern drafting methods, said Mr Prescott.

    "The more I read the document, the more I think: 'A little learning is a dangerous thing'. It contains a number of malapropisms: they cause me to believe that the draftsman was not very familiar with patent practice and terminology. It conveys an impression that he was not always clear in his own mind about what he was doing and, when not clear, allowed his word processor to do his thinking for him. Bits of legal phraseology have been lifted from I know not what precedents and assembled in a strange way," he said.

    Mr Prescott ruled that Oxonica should pay the royalties on any technology falling within the scope of the original PCT application. He said that the agreement involved commercial and technical know-how as well as practical details and that the patent application was a "convenient yardstick" used to measure Neuftec's contribution to the venture.

    Oxonica Energy Ltd v Neuftec Ltd

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    Re: High Court ruling attacks 'bits of legal boilerplate, bolted together'

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    • #3
      Re: High Court ruling attacks 'bits of legal boilerplate, bolted together'

      I have always said that LIP particularly on CAG should not use legalese but to put their case forward in the plainest of language but in the main have been ignored

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      • #4
        Re: High Court ruling attacks 'bits of legal boilerplate, bolted together'

        I agree completey, all this avers malarky does my head in. LIPs should at the very very least understand their own claims, and Judges really don't want legal mumbo jumbo in POCs. Just makes things complicated and because things arent understood any amendments to complex POCs make them prone to mistakes.
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          Re: High Court ruling attacks 'bits of legal boilerplate, bolted together'

          Precisely AME I don't know what your views are regarding CCA requests in the case of time barred claims but I think it a nonsense to make such a request as all it does is give the creditor an excuse to claim you have acknowledged the debt by making a payment.

          If you know it's out of time tell them, forcefully, & that any attempt to try & enforce it will be vigorously defended as well as them being reported to the regulator or even the police

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          • #6
            Re: High Court ruling attacks 'bits of legal boilerplate, bolted together'

            Not quite Righty, time barred maybe but S32 kicks in if the agreement was lacking to begin with surely.

            This is the difference between those who think they can go for all payments made as opposed to simply ceasing payments though, so if your comment is based on that I agree.

            LIP's should only use language they understand. Aver is probably the wrong choice as an example though, but I've seen plenty even Wikipedia can't explain to me lol

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            • #7
              Re: High Court ruling attacks 'bits of legal boilerplate, bolted together'

              I'm not referring to s32 which really only applies to claimants trying to claim beyond 6 years. I'm referring to debtors trying to stop DCA's & who think that by making a CCA request that will stop them on the assumption (mostly correct) that they don't have an agreement.

              As we know in practice it doesn't stop them & the more you communicate with them, when you already know it's time barred, the more chance there is of them claiming acknowledgment of the debt by you, as we have again seen even using the satutory £1 paid with the request to imply it
              ------------------------------- merged -------------------------------
              Also I agree with AME. Aver is a good example as it not a common term used in everyday language & a LIP should stick to their normal language when preparing their correspondence & POC rather than pepper them with it
              Last edited by righty; 12th September 2008, 10:22:AM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

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                Re: High Court ruling attacks 'bits of legal boilerplate, bolted together'

                Originally posted by righty View Post
                Precisely AME I don't know what your views are regarding CCA requests in the case of time barred claims but I think it a nonsense to make such a request as all it does is give the creditor an excuse to claim you have acknowledged the debt by making a payment.

                If you know it's out of time tell them, forcefully, & that any attempt to try & enforce it will be vigorously defended as well as them being reported to the regulator or even the police
                Completely agree.
                Forcefully tell the DCA to take a hike UNLESS they can substantiate their claims.

                There seems to be more and more out of time debts being sold by the OC, most likely for peanuts.
                So why should we even think about any type of payment, CCA £1 or anything !?!?

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                • #9
                  Re: High Court ruling attacks 'bits of legal boilerplate, bolted together'

                  To be clear I'm advocating NOT requesting a CCA if you know beyond doubt that the matter is time barred otherwise do it as you have nothing to lose

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                  • #10
                    Re: High Court ruling attacks 'bits of legal boilerplate, bolted together'

                    I misread Righty, I'm with you now.

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                    • #11
                      Re: High Court ruling attacks 'bits of legal boilerplate, bolted together'

                      Lol I missed this confuddlement but yep i agree - is a bit daft to acknowledge a debt and send a £1 even under a CCA request when it is time barred. The time barring outweighs the CCA.

                      Are people advocating doing that then ?
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                      • #12
                        Re: High Court ruling attacks 'bits of legal boilerplate, bolted together'

                        And yep Avers really bugs me, I don't really know what it means - 'put forward my opinion' I guess ? In some POCs i have seen there is a long list of posh legal sounding things which all mean the same and are completely unnecessary.

                        ahh here this bit

                        Inequity
                        The Claimant contends that the terms imposing the charges cause a significant imbalance in the parties' rights and obligations arising under the contract, to the detriment of the consumer in that:-of the consumer in that:
                        • Bank accounts have become a basic essential service. It is effectively impossible to work in the United Kingdom without one

                        • The Defendant is a wholly dominant partner in a non-negotiable standard-form contract

                        • There are a limited number of providers of banking services all whom exercise similar dominance over their customers in non-negotiable standard form contracts

                        • These banks exercise a collective dominance in the market

                        • The charges of all banks are highly similar in nature and in cost and so the consumer in general and the claimant in particular has no real choice between banking service providers and is forced to acquiesce to the charges

                        • The charges exceed actual costs by several thousand percent

                        • They are applied unilaterally in a standard form contract without the possibility of negotiation

                        • The Defendant raises the charges or restructures its charging scheme at will without discussion with its customers

                        • The Charges are of subsidiary importance to the customer in the context of the Banking Contract as a whole and would not influence the making of the Banking Contract

                        • The customer had no means of assessing the fairness of the Charges at the time of entering the contract

                        • The charges reflect a markup of several thousands of percent on the costs of dealing with the claimant's "delinquency" episodes. This is an extraordinary markup for any UK business. The normal markup on the High Street is around 100% or less

                        • Many of the Defendants charges are levied on previous charges incurred in preceding months. Therefore the Defendants are themselves causing the impecuniousity. which then triggers more charges. Therefore the Defendants have caused much of the claimant's impecuniousity and it is the Defendants who are causing the charges to be levied with a view to their own profit

                        • The Defendant operates its high level of charges in order to cross-subsidise other banking services which it provides to other customers at less than cost price – so-called "free-banking"

                        • The charges could be imposed repeatedly and interest at a higher rate could be charged on those accumulated charges

                        • The Defendant's charges structure depends upon the impecuniousity and vulnerability of its poorer customers to provide free-banking services for those in a better position

                        • The overall charging regime operated by the Defendant is disproportionately applied to a minority of its customers, often those who are least able to afford it

                        • As established by the High Court (OFT v Abbey & 7 Ors) the customer would receive no service or benefit in return for the imposition of charges.
                        Sorry whoever wrote it, it just really annoys me.
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                        • #13
                          Re: High Court ruling attacks 'bits of legal boilerplate, bolted together'

                          Originally posted by Amethyst View Post
                          Lol I missed this confuddlement but yep i agree - is a bit daft to acknowledge a debt and send a £1 even under a CCA request when it is time barred. The time barring outweighs the CCA.

                          Are people advocating doing that then ?
                          Yup all over CAG. When I post "don't do it" & explain why I get jumped on from all quarters
                          ------------------------------- merged -------------------------------
                          Originally posted by Amethyst View Post
                          And yep Avers really bugs me, I don't really know what it means - 'put forward my opinion' I guess ? In some POCs i have seen there is a long list of posh legal sounding things which all mean the same and are completely unnecessary.

                          ahh here this bit



                          Sorry whoever wrote it, it just really annoys me.
                          That's a thesis not a POC
                          ------------------------------- merged -------------------------------
                          PS AME what about my pm??
                          Last edited by righty; 12th September 2008, 16:45:PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

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                          • #14
                            Oh thought I replied lol, will check


                            edit: Yep I did. If you can get me all of the info on those two cases thus far (I know it'll be a lot - if its easier put it in working forums) then I can have a proper look through and discuss things with relevant peeps. Obviously I already know a fair bit on one of them but just give me everything.
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                            • #15
                              Re: High Court ruling attacks 'bits of legal boilerplate, bolted together'

                              I think it may be best if I invite the victims to this site & with some guidance from me let them tell their own stories. What do you think??

                              Also you are well aware of Paul's but I think he's now reached a stage where he needs more detailed legal advice as he tends to go off at a tangent which causes his arguments to be somewhat complicated when they aren't

                              He's one of those I have repeatedly advised to couch his arguments in plain English & been shot down by others who seem to think a convoluted argument is best

                              Also the London & Scottish matter is fairly straight forward IMHO (misrepresentation) but the elderly couple have been refused legal aid primarily I suspect because of an application which was somewhat lacking in argument

                              Almost forgot s32 of the limitation act may come into play here because of the length of time these payments have been made

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