ADHD discussion thread

[righty]

I thought NLP was Neuro Linguistic Programming lol.

Another load of mumbo jumbo then bit like Attention Deficit Disorder in other words unruly kids

[des8]

Re: Verbal bullying

Another load of mumbo jumbo then bit like Attention Deficit Disorder in other words unruly kids

Unruly kids? I wish ADHD was that simple.

[righty]

Re: Verbal bullying

Unruly kids? I wish ADHD was that simple.

its another valuable illness invented by the drug companies or hadn't you noticed that they are continuously looking for 'new' conditions/illnesses which they can treat (at considerable expense) with their drugs.

We are friends with a number of foster carers and have seen kids, who've been diagnosed with ADHD, when placed in a settled, caring and controlled environment where boundries are set cured:tinysmile_aha_t:

In fact my BH's sister is grandmother to such a child and when we visit he kicks off big time cos he's got a new audience. When he's left in a room with us even for 5 mins his behaviour changes because despite being only 7yrs he knows that we'll or rather the BH will verbally chide him for any bad behaviour

[MissFM]

Re: Verbal bullying

its another valuable illness invented by the drug companies or hadn't you noticed that they are continuously looking for 'new' conditions/illnesses which they can treat (at considerable expense) with their drugs.

We are friends with a number of foster carers and have seen kids, who've been diagnosed with ADHD, when placed in a settled, caring and controlled environment where boundries are set cured:tinysmile_aha_t:

In fact my BH's sister is grandmother to such a child and when we visit he kicks off big time cos he's got a new audience. When he's left in a room with us even for 5 mins his behaviour changes because despite being only 7yrs he knows that we'll or rather the BH will verbally chide him for any bad behaviour

I can see why you say such things, Righty, and sure children are over-medicated and over medicalised. But....:decision:. I have some very strong views, also based on experience and maybe we should take this subject elsewhere (lamppost?) so as not to hijack this thread which is about something quite different x

[des8]

Re: Verbal Abuse - Hi everyone I am new here

ADHD is not just bad behaviour.
You are over simplifying a very complex condition'
And once again we are off topic:focus:


and again we cross MssFM!

[Kati]

Re: adhd discussion thread

I've moved these posts to a new thread ... to discuss ADHD (if you want to)
K x

[MissFM]

Re: Verbal bullying

its another valuable illness invented by the drug companies or hadn't you noticed that they are continuously looking for 'new' conditions/illnesses which they can treat (at considerable expense) with their drugs. I agree with you that Big Pharma has far too much say in how the medical profession diagnose and treat all illnesses, but particularly psychiatric conditions.

We are friends with a number of foster carers and have seen kids, who've been diagnosed with ADHD, when placed in a settled, caring and controlled environment where boundries are set cured:tinysmile_aha_t: I think that's a huge over simplification. Either the children didn't have it in the first place and were just (just!) terribly distressed due to their chaotic circumstances or a more structured environment helped them to control their anxiety.


In fact my BH's (what is a BH please)? sister is grandmother to such a child and when we visit he kicks off big time cos he's got a new audience. When he's left in a room with us even for 5 mins his behaviour changes because despite being only 7yrs he knows that we'll or rather the BH will verbally chide him for any bad behaviour Righty, we come from different planets. A child exhibiting huge distress is not something I would ever describe as "bad behaviour"

I do also agree with you, Righty, that children are routinely over-medicated for situations that would be more effectively treated by other means, along with the unacceptable role that Big Pharma plays in that.

However, there do exist children (people) with such extreme levels of anxiety - way beyond the norm, and a diagnosis of, for example ADHD or ASD gives them and their families access to the support that could enable them to lead productive (happy!) lives.

[MissFM]

Re: adhd discussion thread

I've moved these posts to a new thread ... to discuss ADHD (if you want to)
K x

Thank you, Kati :tinysmile_kiss_t4

[des8]

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I think it is important to realise ADD/ADHD symptoms are not confined to behavioural matters.
Those who have not encountered it in any depth always seem to concentrate on children "kicking off",
However it can be so much more than that and can include diverse problems such as inattention, short attention span,being impulsive, forgetfulness, lack of concentration, anxiety problems, lack of awareness (especially of danger) and many more.
And what about adults who suffer from the condition? Should they be dismissed as "unruly kids" who have been given a diagnosis based on mumbo jumbo?

It is always worrying when arguments are based on a single person's experiences. One should be careful about arguing from the particular to the general.

[MissFM]

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As recently as the early 1970's people with learning disabilities had no right to an education - were effectively treated as subhuman - and a condition such as Autistic Spectrum Disorder was considered to derive from having cold, unloving parents. I can't just now explain the connection with the present debate but the connection exists.

[righty]

Re: Verbal bullying

I do also agree with you, Righty, that children are routinely over-medicated for situations that would be more effectively treated by other means, along with the unacceptable role that Big Pharma plays in that.

However, there do exist children (people) with such extreme levels of anxiety - way beyond the norm, and a diagnosis of, for example ADHD or ASD gives them and their families access to the support that could enable them to lead productive (happy!) lives.

BH = better half (the wife) I'm sorry any behaviour good or bad can be given a name but that doesn't mean it exists as an illness. Some so called professionals after going to a medical seminar latch onto these newly found conditions and no amount of rational discussion will get them to change their stance eg Remember the innocent parents accused of molesting their children by a consultant Dr. Those kids were taken from their parents based on a faulty diagnosis. This Dr had been to a seminar in the States where the audience were told that if a child's anus reacted to touch that child had been subject to abuse, no if's no but's. This theory has been debunked time & time again yet this Dr continued to advise social services that children needed to be taken into care. Some of those children were adopted and because of the passage of time never to be reunited with their natural parents again

[MissFM]

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Yes, I understand and remember what you talk about above (the child abuse misdiagnosis horror story) and I recognise and share your deep suspicion of "pop" pseudopsychology, particularly that emanating from America. But babies and bathwater spring to mind.

There is a difference between an "illness" and a syndrome - a set of circumstances that, put together, tell a compelling story. There can't be any doubt in anyone's mind that children - not just children, everyone - with psychological disabilities or illnesses are better served now that even in the recent past.

It's not an exact science, is it? It's just fairly obvious that, for some, life - from birth - is not such plain sailing as for others and that they shouldn't be punished for these extra challenges but helped through them - particularly during childhood and puberty.

[des8]

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Couple of points:
ADHD/ADD are not "newly found". Attention deficit was first described in 1798 by Sir Alexander Crichton. The labels might be newish but the conditions have been identified for near on 200 years! A rose by any other name is still a rose.
Symptoms of those conditions are not limited to bad behaviour.
To argue that one doctor continually misdiagnosed one condition, and therefore other doctors are misdiagnosing this condition is illogical.


Oops... three points!

[MissFM]

Re: adhd discussion thread

Couple of points:
ADHD/ADD are not "newly found". Attention deficit was first described in 1798 by Sir Alexander Crichton. The labels might be newish but the conditions have been identified for near on 200 years! A rose by any other name is still a rose.
Symptoms of those conditions are not limited to bad behaviour.
To argue that one doctor continually misdiagnosed one condition, and therefore other doctors are misdiagnosing this condition is illogical.


Oops... three points!

That's incredibly interesting Des - I had absolutely no idea (about Sir A C etc.).

[righty]

Re: adhd discussion thread

Also what about the McCann's a doctor watching them on TV accused them of lying and that they did have something to do with their child's disappearance. He was rightly sued by them. I can't be sure be he may have been struck off also