Whilst I'm not sure this is a legal situation any advice re good HR practice would be most welcome! Last week I set off to work and 20 mins into my journey came over very faint/nauseous, pulled over and made the decision to return home as I was closer and with much less traffic. I called reception to get a message to my line manager to explain situation and let them know I would have a cup of tea/more food and then either make the journey in or call in sick. I did this and my partner actually drove me to work. I was then told I had to complete a return to work form (even my line manager had questioned this as I was only 2hrs late - I live 20 miles from work so the journey takes 35mins). It turned out this was the start of a viral illness which I ended up then having Mon/Tues off for which again instigated a RTW. Yesterday I received a formal invite to a meeting as I had triggered the 3 occasions in 6 mths sick policy (I had 1 previous instance) which is fine if I had been sick on the Friday but I am questioning how being late constitutes sickness as I informed them I would be in. I receive emails for cover (its a school) on a weekly basis along the lines of 'I'll be late in when the headache clears/stopped feeling sick'- are these all triggering a RTW??? The meeting is a 'bring trade union rep/work colleague' meeting which clearly will go on record and I am not sure whether to question now or at the meeting and take a member of Senior staff in? In the second RTW my line manager used the phrase 'continuation of illness' too so isn't that one instance even without arguing the common sense of the first instance? Any advice welcome. Thank you.
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Yes you can be required to fill in RTW forms just for being late. The main question should be, how does 2 hrs late amount to a days absence? As it clearly doesn't. And you need to point that out to them at the meeting that you were not absent that day and therefore it should not count as absence. Also Monday and Tuesday is 1 period of absence and can not be treated as two different periods of absence. So in effect you have not triggered the 3 occasions in 6 months as you have only had 1 period of absence + 1 period earlier in the last six months bringing your absence period total in last 6 months to 2 periods!
Yes it is continuation of illness, however the day you were late doesn't constitute a period of absence as you must be absence for a full day!Please note that this advice is given informally, without liability and without prejudice. Always seek the advice of an insured qualified professional. All my legal and nonlegal knowledge comes from either here (LB),my own personal research and experience and/or as the result of necessity as an Employer and Businessman.
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My only comment is if your policy states a rolling period of 12 months which could have pushed you over the trigger. I agree that Monday and Tuesday cannot be treated as two occassions. From my experience a RTW form needs to be completed fully a full or half day's absence. Again each organisation has different rules. It might has been the case that you were marked down as sick rather than lateness.
I hope this helps.
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Thank you for your advice. Spoke to my line manager again who agrees with me and at the meeting I will ask why this is seen as sickness when it was just lateness and he will take it to the Head to get the occasion taken off my record.
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Let us know how things progress please.Please note that this advice is given informally, without liability and without prejudice. Always seek the advice of an insured qualified professional. All my legal and nonlegal knowledge comes from either here (LB),my own personal research and experience and/or as the result of necessity as an Employer and Businessman.
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I AM SO GOING TO GET BANNED BY CEL FOR POSTING terrible humour POSTS.
The Governess; 6th March 2012 GRRRRRR
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Good, keep us updated if anything changes!Please note that this advice is given informally, without liability and without prejudice. Always seek the advice of an insured qualified professional. All my legal and nonlegal knowledge comes from either here (LB),my own personal research and experience and/or as the result of necessity as an Employer and Businessman.
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I AM SO GOING TO GET BANNED BY CEL FOR POSTING terrible humour POSTS.
The Governess; 6th March 2012 GRRRRRR
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