Statutory sick pay and medical treatment in abroad....Possible?

[Desi_Man]

Hi guys,

My story is this, that I had an operation in May 2014 in NHS hospital UK. It was very simple operation. And my surgeon said that after one week I will be able to start my job. I booked one week sick leave and went for my opertion, but I don't know that what did they do with me that I became patient of severe pain. I got admitted in hospitals 5 time after that operation in one month. I spent hardly 5 to 6 days at home after that operation. NHS system is so rubbish. They were keep sending me home just with painkillers. But my pain was not getting slatted down, and they were failed to find the reason of my pain also. And NHS doctors were getting rude with me. 5th time they sent me home next morning. During all month of June I did 4 complaints but complaint system is so shit and slow. Patient will get die and then complaint team will contact us or do something for us, if we lucky. NHS doctors were giving me morphine in hospital for my pain and but sending me home with paracetamol. Great NHS
When they discharged me 5th time, I bought flight ticket for next day and came back to my home country in south Asia .For some private and urgent medical treatment to fix my pain, what NHS surgeon gave me. I will sue NHS once I will get back to UK. I could not afford private medical treatment in UK. And at the moment I'm trying to get relief of my Pain at first. And want to know about my Statutory sick pay.

That can I get Statutory sick pay, when I'm having medical treatment in my home country? when I have proper reason to come back in my home country and when I have proper medical history, plus medical treatment documents from hospitals and professional senior doctors what I'm getting over here.

looking forward for replies......

thanks

[stevemLS]

Re: Statutory sick pay and medical treatment in abroad....Possible?

You're not really going about the right way to get sympathy?

Your NHS treatment free?

Yes, thought so.

[des8]

Re: Statutory sick pay and medical treatment in abroad....Possible?

Basic answer is that employees who travel outside the UK while they are sick are entitled to statutory sick pay as long as they satisfy the usual qualifying conditions.

So you will sue NHS on your return. You think you can afford to do that whilst you could not afford private medical care whilst in uk?

[Desi_Man]

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To StevemLs : Sympathy? I'm not asking for sympathy..... Now I'm looking on system. How the system gives justice is my type of case. Because I know, I did not do nothing wrong, but getting down and down every single day, and who is the responsible for all of this? I found it is NHS. if not, then who? Then tell me his/her name.
I just wanted to fix back my problem, my pain. Which NHS "free" doctors gave me. Nothing else that time. If somebody can't be responsible afterward then go to hell this "Free treatment". Could be better if they tell people that we will kick you out of the hospital if your problem will be worse. I was 100% healthy man, just had one stone in my kidney, and NHS has made me completely disable and dependent person. Bleddy "Free", What I have paid, and still paying for this "Free treatment" for last 2 months, I can't write down over here.

To des8 : Can you please tell me that what is "usual qualifying conditions"?
I'm thinking to do No Win No fee case against NHS, thinking to get advice from "citizen advice bureau" etc etc, to know that how I can raise my voice to get the justice. Because because because, since I had this operation, what I have lost, what I have paid, and How I'm suffering, this is not "Free Treatment", this is completely rubbish, that if you get relief afterward , then it is fine, and if they gave you some serious complication afterward then it is our badluck, now nobody is responsible to fix it and now we have to go to hell. And then two ways are left, kill yourself or keep cry at home till death. that's it.

[Johnboy007]

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I think mate, you should thank your lucky stars that you were able to see a doctor, and get into a hospital and a bloody free operation on the tax payer, in the first place.

Bleddy "Free", What I have paid, and still paying for this "Free treatment" for last 2 months

If you are not happy with this country's NHS, why don't you either go back to your homeland for treatment, or pay for the bloody thing privately.
I had a bloody operation 18 months ago, which has left me in some paid and with a permanent limp.
Do I complain about it?
No mate, because I see the poor buggers in other countries, that can never afford to see a doctor.

[Desi_Man]

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Mr. Jhonboy007,
first of all thank you very much for you kind words for NHS. You really impressed me. And yes, it is very nice to see the doctor for free or with tax payer money. For your kind information I'm also a Tax payer. Second thing I really don't enjoy to see the doctor "for free" or what so ever, if he can't fix my problem but kicked me in, more worse and painful situation because of his negligence and then left me in between to die. Maybe you can enjoy uncompleted work or job. You are that great, who can enjoy the more worse and painful situation afterward, when you had been told to suffer only one week and now it's more than 2 months. You can enjoy and sing a song for NHS, I'm not that good mate. I feel pain.

And second thing, YES, I could go to my homeland or any other country, or anywhere (I take UK as my land as well, and serve the country and do respect the country as well, for you kind information, I'm just talking about NHS. ) If your beloved NHS doctor could tell me before that in this case of negligence, we will leave you alone in between the way, in severe pain. And then you will have to find some place in this world to fix our mistakes. Then maybe I could save some money and think to go somewhere else at start to fix my medical problem. Which was not painful at all before, my brother.

I don't wanna see you or any other human from any race, in my type of severe pain. So please don't assume my situation mate. You don't know my pain. Which has destroyed my life, physically, mentally, economically and socially.

It could be good, if you can give the answer of my question.

May God keep you healthy and keep loving the NHS.

[Amethyst]

Re: Statutory sick pay and medical treatment in abroad....Possible?

So, forgetting any politics, you had kidney stones, went to hospital for an operation to remove them, the operation has left you in some pain and discomfort beyond that which Is normal for this kind of operation.

You have been back to the hospital? Or visited your GP? and been told to take paracetomol for the pain, which you do not feel is enough. Do you have concerns that the operation caused damage or that you continue to have kidney stones?

Have you raised any complaint with your GP or the hospital if you feel your condition is not being successfully managed?

[Amethyst]

Re: Statutory sick pay and medical treatment in abroad....Possible?

Also I'm not sure of your question, is it can you claim SSP when you have had treatment abroad ? Or can you sue the NHS for your pain?

[Johnboy007]

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Desi_man,

Just stop running the NHS down.
We all suffer pain, some more than others.
So you want to sue the NHS.....
Well remember that the next time you are desperately ill, or one of your family have had an accident.
It's the NHS that you can rely on to come to your assistance.
Ambulance staff, Doctors, Nurses, Surgeons and thousands of other people.
And how much have you contributed to the millions that it costs to run the NHS?
There are two types of people my friend.
Those who demand their rights, and those who earn them.
Which category are you in?
Just be thankful you are alive, and unless you have proof of neglect, leave the NHS alone.

[Johnboy007]

Re: Statutory sick pay and medical treatment in abroad....Possible?

Basic answer is that employees who travel outside the UK while they are sick are entitled to statutory sick pay as long as they satisfy the usual qualifying conditions.

So you will sue NHS on your return. You think you can afford to do that whilst you could not afford private medical care whilst in uk?

Well said mate.. Good on you...

[Desi_Man]

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to Ametyhst: Thanks for your replies. Yes, they removed my stone and after that it was not just discomfort. It was severe pain, which I still have. And this is not normal thing, I already had the same operation in another European country 5 years ago. They did very well and I kept the stent for one month inside. But this time, because of severe pain, they removed the stent just after 3 days. So please don't call it just Discomfort. I been to hospital 5 times afterward. Once on ambulance. Met my GP twice, My concern was just to settle down my pain, nothing else that time. But they were giving me just temporary pain relief. Yes, I have raised up my complaint 4 times during my stay in UK in first month. It was also call for some serious help. But complaint process is deadly slow, they are still working on it. And I don't know what they will do in the end of the day.

This time my question is that how I can claim SSP when I have had treatment abroad ? if you can give me some information. I'll be thankful of you.

to jhonboy007:
NHS can not be run down because of me, at least as much as they did with me. I wish I could do something for them to listen my voice.
And next time, if I or you are desperately ill, or one of your or my family have had an accident. Then not NHS, the system made by government will come to help us. The system what we people have made after years of struggle, and the system which still needs improvement. NHS is not the name of some Person, it is the Name of the group of people, it is an organization, where some black sheeps can destroy the good image of whole organization. what it is hard to understand for you type of people. Who just see the things from their side only.
and your question "And how much have you contributed to the millions that it costs to run the NHS?"
Mate, if you have studded some mathematics then you could understand that"pennies make pounds". We all pay the tax, as much as we are bound to pay. And I pay with smile. And then those pennies makes the millions of pounds.

I don't know that what do you want to listen from my side, but I meant, that if you can't help me, then it is better to tell me before. It is not fair to pick me from one point and leave me in middle, in more worse condition. I don't need that bloody help which gives me more worse situation afterward, and you just smile.

I have to thankful of GOD, not NHS, that i'm still alive.

[des8]

Re: Statutory sick pay and medical treatment in abroad....Possible?

Re stat sick pay conditions:
1) as it is paid by your employer are you still employed, or did you give up your job?
2) if employed is your employer paying first class contributions for your National Insurance?
3) have you kept in contact with your employer, keeping him advised of your absence as per his requirements (probably weekly)?
These are, I think, the basic conditions and will give you a starting point.

Regarding the NHS, as you indicated you worked here, paid your taxes and so are fully entitled to receive treatment (as in fact EVERYBODY in the UK can)
You may not find the specialist solicitors you will require to sue the NHS prepared to act on a "no win no fee basis" Even though you believe you have an open and shut case, others may not be so convinced, and will not be prepared to take on your case.
As an example I have a relative who suffered a broken tibia. For four years it was diagnosed as a Plantar fasciitis. Only one solicitor out of six who were approached was prepared to even consider the case. Medical negligence is horrendously difficult to prove.

Finally a word of friendly advice. Whilst I understand your pain and frustration you will receive more help and compassion if you moderate your language and don't sound so confrontational. It is unusual for a post on this site to receive such approbation.

[Desi_Man]

Re: Statutory sick pay and medical treatment in abroad....Possible?

thanks for your message des8. I'm still employed, but I don't know that what my company will do with me now. As I have traveled on urgent basis on my sick leave. Now I have informed them, and they are discussing my case to head office. So you mean, if I get sacked then I can't get SSP?

[Kati]

Re: Statutory sick pay and medical treatment in abroad....Possible?

This is a link to the Gov.uk guide to SSP: https://www.gov.uk/statutory-sick-pay

I'd suggest you have a look at it and see what you can find out! :tinysmile_grin_t:

" Eligibility

To qualify for Statutory Sick Pay (SSP) you must:
be classed as an employee and have done some work for your employer
have been ill for at least 4 days in a row (including non-working days)
earn at least £111 (before tax) per week
tell your employer you’re sick before their deadline - or within 7 days if they don’t have one

Agency workers are entitled to Statutory Sick Pay.
Exceptions

You won’t qualify if you:
have received the maximum amount of SSP (28 weeks)
have taken 3 years or more ‘linked periods’ of sickness - where 4 or more days of sickness happen within 8 weeks of each other
are getting Statutory Maternity Pay

You can still qualify if you started your job recently and you haven’t received 8 weeks’ pay yet. Ask your employer to find out more.
Fit notes (or sick notes)

You only have to give your employer a doctor’s fit note if you miss more than 7 days of work.
If you’re not eligible

If you don’t qualify for SSP, your employer must give you form SSP1 within 7 days of your illness.

You can use this to apply for Employment and Support Allowance (ESA) instead."

[Desi_Man]

Re: Statutory sick pay and medical treatment in abroad....Possible?

I have spoke with my DM, he said that I will have to produce Sick Notes from my GP, no matter I'm in UK or out of UK. Otherwise they will terminate my contract. How can I get Sick Notes from my GP, if I'm not in UK and having medical treatment from out of UK? is it possible to get? does any one know?