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  • Gross Misconduct - Bullying and Harrassment - evidence required?

    Hi All

    I am currently suspended from work, with a disciplinary hearing due early January. In September myself, along with another colleague "B", have been accused of serious acts of bullying and harassment against a colleague "F", as well as insubordination towards my manager. I have worked for this company for over 9 years with no previous issues, an exemplary work record and I feel (without too much ego involved) that my work has always been of a decent standard.

    I completely refute all of these allegations however my company seem dead set on my guilt already. The investigation that has already taken place recommends that both "B" and I be disciplined under gross misconduct.

    Our office is a high pressure, stressful place environment to be in - there is a huge workload and we have been through 2 restructures, with redundancies, in the past 12 months. We currently do not know if our contract will be renewed past March 2014. These uncertainties and issues have left me feeling extremely demoralised and frustrated and it's also worth mentioning that I made some strong comments about this, alongside critcism of management, in an appraisal 2 weeks before this grievance procedure started. I was under the impression that these comments were made in a section of my appraisal where I could say what I wanted about the organisation.

    I feel that "F" has some pretty major competency issues, which have been ongoing for years. The main thrust of her accusations are that we are constantly reporting non-existent issues about her work. I dont deny that I raise issues, however this is only when they are serious (we work supporting vulnerable and poor people and "F's" mistakes have a serious impact on them eg being left without money for weeks longer than needed) and I do not raise them constantly. These issues are not replicated by anyone else in the team. When in charge of certain operations, "F" has repeatedly missed important deadlines - again this doesn't happen with anyone else. These deadlines, when met, are helpful in getting our contract renewed.

    The majority of the team, and even clients and a separate but partner agency, have raised issues and made complaints for many years, however management havent appeared to act on them as the same issues keep repeating. It now seems I am getting blamed for all the complaints, not just my own.

    "F" has also stated that the atmosphere we created in the office made another team member, who "F" was supervising, leave.

    "F's" initial written accusations were mostly non-specific (about me) however during the investigation she mentioned 2 specific incidences. I agree that these took place however I was not questioned about them at any point during the investigation and yet they form a relatively large part of its findings. I dont believe that these incidents constitue acts of bullying either - they were general operational disagreements that could/should have been discussed in a team meeting and now feel like attempts to dredge up evidence against me.

    During the investigation the majority of people interviewed stated that they did not believe that we had committed acts of bullying, and that the real issue was "F's" lack of competency and management's lack of action. They all confirmed that they, and others, have had to raise many issues about "F" and that this causes high levels of frustration. The colleague who left the organisation also returned to be interviewed and clearly stated that she left due to extremely poor levels of supervision from "F"

    All this evidence has been dismissed by the investigation and explained away as people confirming our version of events as we had either "groomed" them, they were too weak to go against us, we had either provided excessive praise or scared them into complicity. They stated that they are suspicious as so many people reported the same or similar version of events, with no consideration given to whether these versions were actual accurate. One person, who at the time had been in our office on less than 5 occasions, made some statements that she felt "F" was being bullied. This has been accepted without question.

    Despite a few weeks ago discussing a theoretical promotion with me, it turns out my manager has actually statedto the invesigators that I refuse to undertake work when asked however hasn't provided one shred of evidence, nor any specific examples regarding this and his statements also appear to have been accepted without question. He has also stated that the complaints from a partner agency about "F" have only come about as we put them up to it. He has made several other false and/or inaccurate statements, which whilst incorrect, still give the wrong impression about me and appear to have influenced the investigation findings. I was only questioned about these statements in a general manner.

    Both senior and local management have stated that they have been aware that these tensions have been in place for a long time, that we act as a pack, that we work hard to groom new staff members so we can use them against "F" and that they feel there is nothing that can be done to resolve this and rebuild relationships. I totally deny these allegations and feel they completely misrepresent me and the people accused of being "weak" or "groomed".

    At no point in the past have any managers met with me to raise these concerns. I have not had one discussion about my supposed behaviours and the first time I was made aware of these opinions was when I read the witness statements and investigation report yesterday.

    None of the explanations i provided for my version of events apears to have been accepted, discussed or analysed in the investigation either.

    The other colleague "B", who is also accused, has had many more specific grievances raised against him by "F" and our manager than I have but we appear to be being treated as one person - in comparison my name gets hardly any individual mentions throughout the investigation and witness statements.

    Apart from just wanting to get all this of my (very stressed) chest i guess my main questions are as follows;

    i) When dismisisng for acts of bullying how strong should the evidence be? In my case it just seems mostly non-specific and circumstantial with no actual concrete evidence - just opinion

    ii) Having studied the ACAS code of guidance, my employers appear to be mostly following it, however it seems the potential bias in the investigation and reasoning behind their conclusions is an issue. How would an Emp Tribunal assess this? (if at all).

    iii) With regards to myself and "B" being dealt with in this together, can my employers dismiss me due to things he is being accused, almost as if i was his henchman, or should they be looking at me seperately and rule just on the specific accusations against me ?

    iv) My managers accusations of insubordination - what sort of evidence would they need to provide? (at this stage its just his statements-no evidence or examples)

    v) I am allowed to call witnesses however i am concerned that any person speaking up for me will be disregarded due to the reasons already used. Is it still worth calling these witnesses?

    vi) I feel my manager's statements are at best inaccurate and at worst totally false. Can a disciplinary hearing adjourn to investigate his accusations further?

    vii) Senior and local management have both stated they are aware that these tensions have been present for a long time. I have been totally open with them about my concerns and have requested input from them on a number of occasions over the past 18 months or so(documented), but not received any. When dismissing under these circumstances, should managements prior knowledge and failure to act be taken into account?

    I realise that that is a hell of a lot of information but if you're still reading then any input would be gratefully received (and may help ease an unpleasant few weeks ahead)

    Many thanks
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    Re: Gross Misconduct - Bullying and Harrassment - evidence required?

    Hi and welcome to Legal Beagles.

    Is this a local authority or government department, please?
    Life is a journey on which we all travel, sometimes together, but never alone.

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      Re: Gross Misconduct - Bullying and Harrassment - evidence required?

      Hi, thanks for the welcome

      It's a charity - an advice service not unlike the Citizen's Advice Bureau

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      • #4
        Re: Gross Misconduct - Bullying and Harrassment - evidence required?

        Unfortunately, the charity sector holds the unenviable title of "Number One Employment Sector for Staff Bullying". The fact that the charity's senior management has known about this manager's behaviour for some considerable time and done nothing whatsoever to deal with it is of concern. Unless someone has already done so, the Charity Commission needs to be informed as to what is going on, particularly if it could put the charity's assets and funds at risk due to litigation which, were it not for the failure of the trustees/directors to act with due care and diligence, would be otherwise avoidable. I have noted that the charity for which you work is at risk of losing its contract due to the failure of the trustees/directors to act upon concerns about this employee you mention. If this could result in the charity having to be dissolved, then informing the Charity Commission is a matter of urgency. I would strongly advise you to seek advice and guidance from a union rep or legal professional.

        One thing you need to be aware of with bullies is what motivates them and that is fear; to be precise, it is fear of exposure of their inadequacies and/or incompetence. Playing the victim and reflecting their own shortcomings onto others are common tactics of a bully.
        Life is a journey on which we all travel, sometimes together, but never alone.

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          Re: Gross Misconduct - Bullying and Harrassment - evidence required?

          Originally posted by bluebottle View Post
          One thing you need to be aware of with bullies is what motivates them and that is fear; to be precise, it is fear of exposure of their inadequacies and/or incompetence. Playing the victim and reflecting their own shortcomings onto others are common tactics of a bully.
          yes that seems to sum several of these people up well!

          We are a fairly large nationwide charity - working on various contracts, so the loss of our current contract would only affect 1 service, and would be unlikely to result in dissolution of the organisation.

          FortunatelyI had already decided to get some qualifications and study later next year, so my time in the charitable sector was coming to an end anyway. I would obviously prefer this on my own terms though and its the damage to my reputation, poor reference (and presumably difficult) experience of getting work until my studies start that I really want to avoid

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          • #6
            Re: Gross Misconduct - Bullying and Harrassment - evidence required?

            Originally posted by pranava View Post
            yes that seems to sum several of these people up well!

            We are a fairly large nationwide charity - working on various contracts, so the loss of our current contract would only affect 1 service, and would be unlikely to result in dissolution of the organisation.

            FortunatelyI had already decided to get some qualifications and study later next year, so my time in the charitable sector was coming to an end anyway. I would obviously prefer this on my own terms though and its the damage to my reputation, poor reference (and presumably difficult) experience of getting work until my studies start that I really want to avoid
            From what you have said in your initial post, there appears to be an atmosphere of complacency amongst the senior managers of the charity, evidenced by their failure to deal with the individual who is causing the problem and apparent failure to properly investigate the allegations being made against you and your colleague. This is why you should consult with a union rep or a legal professional.
            Life is a journey on which we all travel, sometimes together, but never alone.

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              Re: Gross Misconduct - Bullying and Harrassment - evidence required?

              I have noted that the charity for which you work is at risk of losing its contract due to the failure of the trustees/directors to act upon concerns about this employee you mention.

              Is that what it says BB...that ONE person is potentially capable of losing a contract because the employers can't/won't sort this ONE persons work ethic out? They are prepared to risk everything rather than deal with one employee's alleged substandard work?

              I must be reading this totally differently to others because I can detect a real undercurrent of animosity towards F..and a sprinkle of 'pack mentality'

              I wonder if OP's need for a good clean reference is overshadowing previous behaviour in the office,,there's not normally smoke without a fire and if the bully becomes the bullied there is normally a good reason.
              To me,and this is my own opinion,if you can't take it...don't dish it out and expect no repercussions.

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              • #8
                Re: Gross Misconduct - Bullying and Harrassment - evidence required?

                That was my feeling but its good to hear from someone else!

                I am waiting to hear back from an Employment Lawyer, having submitted a questionnaire on Friday afternoon

                Thank you for your input

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                  Re: Gross Misconduct - Bullying and Harrassment - evidence required?

                  Originally posted by Inca View Post
                  I must be reading this totally differently to others because I can detect a real undercurrent of animosity towards F..and a sprinkle of 'pack mentality'

                  I wonder if OP's need for a good clean reference is overshadowing previous behaviour in the office,,there's not normally smoke without a fire and if the bully becomes the bullied there is normally a good reason.
                  To me,and this is my own opinion,if you can't take it...don't dish it out and expect no repercussions.
                  All opinions on this matter are valid and appreciated.

                  There is bad feeling in the office , you are correct, however i feel this is down to the same issues going on for years without apparent action being taken. I have been very open with management about these issues but haven't had anyone discuss with me that they view my behaviour as inappropriate, in fact when a serious issue is raised, the response has been to carry on bringing them to the attention of management

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                    Re: Gross Misconduct - Bullying and Harrassment - evidence required?

                    Originally posted by Inca View Post
                    I have noted that the charity for which you work is at risk of losing its contract due to the failure of the trustees/directors to act upon concerns about this employee you mention.
                    loss of contact would be due to several factors - loss of funding throughout the public sector being the main one, however failures to meet contractual deadlines, and complaints about this from service users, do not help when rebidding

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                    • #11
                      Re: Gross Misconduct - Bullying and Harrassment - evidence required?

                      Possibly,,,and again..only MY thoughts...any or all of complaints made about you in the past have not been strong enough individually for your employer to act upon,but conglomerating them all together has given them enough ammunition to suspend you pending furthur investigation.
                      It may not seem right or even fair but I'm pretty sure your employers are fully aware that they have to tread carefully in word and deed.

                      Are you in a union?
                      Have you contacted ACAS?

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                      • #12
                        Re: Gross Misconduct - Bullying and Harrassment - evidence required?

                        Originally posted by Inca View Post
                        I have noted that the charity for which you work is at risk of losing its contract due to the failure of the trustees/directors to act upon concerns about this employee you mention.

                        Is that what it says BB...that ONE person is potentially capable of losing a contract because the employers can't/won't sort this ONE persons work ethic out? They are prepared to risk everything rather than deal with one employee's alleged substandard work?

                        I must be reading this totally differently to others because I can detect a real undercurrent of animosity towards F..and a sprinkle of 'pack mentality'

                        I wonder if OP's need for a good clean reference is overshadowing previous behaviour in the office,,there's not normally smoke without a fire and if the bully becomes the bullied there is normally a good reason.
                        To me,and this is my own opinion,if you can't take it...don't dish it out and expect no repercussions.
                        Having worked voluntarily and professionally in the charity sector for over 25 years, the scenario described by the OP, in their initial post, is, unfortunately, all too familiar. In Paragraph 5 of the OP's initial post, there is reference made to a contract at risk of not being renewed, but then, in Post #5, the OP points out that the charity is nationwide so it would appear that this refers to a service provided by the charity, rather than the charity as a whole. Before Post #5, it was not clear whether the charity was large or small. The loss of a contract to a small charity could be serious and put the viability of the entire organisation in question, whereas a larger charity would be in a better position to absorb any such loss, albeit that some redundancies would or may result.

                        The problem of bullying is one that has plagued the charity sector for many years in that it attracts bullies like moths to a lighted candle. There also appears to be a reluctance by trustees to dispense with those paid officers who, for want of a better word, are passengers. Charity trustees have responsibilities placed on them by statute and which they must fulfil. I speak as a charity trustee, myself. Knowing about a situation and doing nothing to abate or resolve it is a breach of duty on the part of the charity's senior management/trustees, especially if it puts the assets and funds of the charity at risk.

                        Speaking to a trade union rep or legal professional is what the OP needs to do in this case.
                        Life is a journey on which we all travel, sometimes together, but never alone.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Gross Misconduct - Bullying and Harrassment - evidence required?

                          I'm in no way disputing what you're saying BB......I obviously see things from a 'laypersons' point of view...and from that position I maybe detected things differently than you because you are and have been involved with such organisations.

                          I agree with you though..OP needs professional advice

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                          • #14
                            Re: Gross Misconduct - Bullying and Harrassment - evidence required?

                            Originally posted by Inca View Post
                            I'm in no way disputing what you're saying BB......I obviously see things from a 'laypersons' point of view...and from that position I maybe detected things differently than you because you are and have been involved with such organisations.

                            I agree with you though..OP needs professional advice
                            I'm not knocking what you say in any way, Inca, as you've raised some very valid points which I had overlooked. The sort of thing the OP has had happen to them happened at the charity where I was working prior to the FMS taking hold. From what I understand, the issues could still come back and bite the trustees hard on their backsides.
                            Life is a journey on which we all travel, sometimes together, but never alone.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Gross Misconduct - Bullying and Harrassment - evidence required?

                              Thank you both BB and Inca.

                              I will definitely be seeking some legal advice on this issue

                              Your input is appreciated :-)

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