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  • Very costly experience with freelance overseas employment

    BACKGROUND TO EMPLOYMENT
    I secured freelance employment in Germany via a UK-based employment agency, commencing January 2019 and continuing through to December 2020. During the negotiations the agency said it was a requirement that the services of another specialist company be used to ensure ‘compliance’ with German requirements - henceforth referred to hereafter as CC. The cost for this service was to be Euro630 per month deducted from my pay, totalling Euro15120 for the 24 months. I possess signed contracts for services with both the recruitment agency and the CC.

    EURO BANK ACCOUNT
    My first doubt of the CC was when they asked me to open a German bank account for the purposes of receiving payment. The UK was still a member of the EU at that time and - being aware that German current accounts are rarely fee-free - I instead opened a multi-currency account with an Italian bank with representation in the UK. This account functioned perfectly throughout my 24-month employment term!

    PROCESSING OF TIMESHEET
    Monthly processing of the timesheet for payroll by the CC was handled seamlessly during this employment. However, in my over 40 years of freelance working this has always, without exception, been provided at no cost.

    MEDICAL INSURANCE
    Medical insurance cover was the next requested provision and details of a reasonably priced UK insurance provider were provided by CC. I truthfully and comprehensively answered the detailed medical history questionnaire and returned it for consideration. After submitting this questionnaire, I was then asked for details of my GP who was requested to corroborate details - for which I had to bear the cost. The insurance company concluded dealings by stating I would not be covered under their policy. This left me with no option than to search for German health cover - which I did (not the CC) to comply with the employment requirements – and I secured this at the considerable cost of over Euro800 per month.

    GERMAN TAXATION
    German taxation was managed by a German tax accountancy practise nominated by the CC - and not undertaken in-house as I might have originally thought by these ‘pseudo-specialists’. Early in the employment I was given my unique tax office reference and ID number. The tax year in Germany is the calendar year and tax submissions are normally expected six months after the end of each tax year, so for 2019 this ideally should have been by June 2020. However, despite me enquiring and prompting in April 2020 as to when the 2019 tax submission might be completed nothing was heard until October 2020 (in the midst of a pandemic) and I was advised that an extension to tax submissions had been given by the authorities up until December 2020.

    In October / November 2020 I received various completed forms relating to 2019 tax, one being titled the EU/EEA Certificate (of German origin) which I had to signed and forward to HMRC for approval, which I did. Three months later this form was rejected for having been completed incorrectly by the German tax specialists! For the next 2-years I started to receive many tax demands directly from the Munich tax office - which I scanned and forwarded to the CC. Without paying any demand I asked to know whether the demands were accurate, especially as the approval of the EU/EEA form by HMRC was outstanding. I did not receive confirmation. This came to a head in April 2022 when I voiced my frustrations with the lack of progress to the agency and the CC. A Teams meeting was then scheduled between these two parties and me. During this meeting I stressed that I was committed to paying the full tax due but not any penalties resulting from delays.

    This meeting resulted in the following:
    • A ‘new’ German tax accountancy would be nominated by the CC to progress things forward.
    • A newly appointed accountancy company (which was based in the Isle of Man) would complete the EU/EEA Certificates which had previously been rejected twice by HMRC because they were completed incorrectly, despite them originating from the German tax system and being written in both German and English.
    • At my request it was confirmed by CC that they would pay all penalties and interest charges for late tax submissions and I would pay only the tax due. However, I failed to get this in writing. (Only one penalty related to 2019 tax was eventually paid by the CC – all other penalties were settled by me to terminate my painful dealings with the German tax authorities.)

    In December 2023 I settled my tax obligations in full:
    • 3 years after leaving employment in Germany
    • 18 months after the Teams meeting tabled to break the impasse
    • After 115 emails, or more to/from all parties

    CONCLUSION
    My experience of paying for the costly services of this ‘international compliance specialist’ has left me in no uncertain terms that it operated little better than an open conduit for all communications both in and out without any useful input; I could have done much better myself. I should not have had to pay late penalties and charges for late submissions or delays which were not of my making.

    From the web site of CC:
    ‘Our in-house experts stay current with the latest in tax, employment and social security legislation so our clients and contractors can have faith in our compliant and efficient solutions.’

    I strongly disagree with the citation above and wish to take legal action to recover half the fees paid to the CC (Euro7560) - with my argument being that they were only half-decent, but actually nowhere near that! The service and expertise promised was out of all proportion to the service received. What would my likely success be and what should be my justification to make this claim? Is poor value a justifiable claim?
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  • #2
    This is not actually a UK employee employment law issue that I can assist with.

    Although some initial questions come to me:

    1. Did you enter into a contract with CC for their services?
    2. If so, what is the legislation governing that contract i.e. is it under the jurisdiction of UK or Germany?
    3. Is there any provision in the contract for resolving dispute?
    4. If so have you followed that and if not have you considered doing so?
    If you would like a one-to-one expert consultation with me on your employment issue than I can be contacted by emailing admin@legalbeaglesgroup.com

    I do not provide advice by PM although I may on occasion ask you to send me documents this way but any related advice will be provided back on your thread.

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    If you have any doubts then do please seek professional legal advice.


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    • #3
      [QUOTE=BigAl2218;n1685574]BACKGROUND TO EMPLOYMENT
      I secured freelance employment in Germany via a UK-based employment agency, commencing January 2019 and continuing through to December 2020. During the negotiations the agency said it was a requirement that the services of another specialist company be used to ensure ‘compliance’ with German requirements - henceforth referred to hereafter as CC. The cost for this service was to be Euro630 per month deducted from my pay, totalling Euro15120 for the 24 months. I possess signed contracts for services with both the recruitment agency and the CC.

      EURO BANK ACCOUNT
      My first doubt of the CC was when they asked me to open a German bank account for the purposes of receiving payment. The UK was still a member of the EU at that time and - being aware that German current accounts are rarely fee-free - I instead opened a multi-currency account with an Italian bank with representation in the UK. This account functioned perfectly throughout my 24-month employment term!

      PROCESSING OF TIMESHEET
      Monthly processing of the timesheet for payroll by the CC was handled seamlessly during this employment. However, in my over 40 years of freelance working this has always, without exception, been provided at no cost.

      MEDICAL INSURANCE
      Medical insurance cover was the next requested provision and details of a reasonably priced UK insurance provider were provided by CC. I truthfully and comprehensively answered the detailed medical history questionnaire and returned it for consideration. After submitting this questionnaire, I was then asked for details of my GP who was requested to corroborate details - for which I had to bear the cost. The insurance company concluded dealings by stating I would not be covered under their policy. This left me with no option than to search for German health cover - which I did (not the CC) to comply with the employment requirements – and I secured this at the considerable cost of over Euro800 per month.

      GERMAN TAXATION
      German taxation was managed by a German tax accountancy practise nominated by the CC - and not undertaken in-house as I might have originally thought by these ‘pseudo-specialists’. Early in the employment I was given my unique tax office reference and ID number. The tax year in Germany is the calendar year and tax submissions are normally expected six months after the end of each tax year, so for 2019 this ideally should have been by June 2020. However, despite me enquiring and prompting in April 2020 as to when the 2019 tax submission might be completed nothing was heard until October 2020 (in the midst of a pandemic) and I was advised that an extension to tax submissions had been given by the authorities up until December 2020.

      In October / November 2020 I received various completed forms relating to 2019 tax, one being titled the EU/EEA Certificate (of German origin) which I had to signed and forward to HMRC for approval, which I did. Three months later this form was rejected for having been completed incorrectly by the German tax specialists! For the next 2-years I started to receive many tax demands directly from the Munich tax office - which I scanned and forwarded to the CC. Without paying any demand I asked to know whether the demands were accurate, especially as the approval of the EU/EEA form by HMRC was outstanding. I did not receive confirmation. This came to a head in April 2022 when I voiced my frustrations with the lack of progress to the agency and the CC. A Teams meeting was then scheduled between these two parties and me. During this meeting I stressed that I was committed to paying the full tax due but not any penalties resulting from delays.

      This meeting resulted in the following:
      • A ‘new’ German tax accountancy would be nominated by the CC to progress things forward.
      • A newly appointed accountancy company (which was based in the Isle of Man) would complete the EU/EEA Certificates which had previously been rejected twice by HMRC because they were completed incorrectly, despite them originating from the German tax system and being written in both German and English.
      • At my request it was confirmed by CC that they would pay all penalties and interest charges for late tax submissions and I would pay only the tax due. However, I failed to get this in writing. (Only one penalty related to 2019 tax was eventually paid by the CC – all other penalties were settled by me to terminate my painful dealings with the German tax authorities.)

      In December 2023 I settled my tax obligations in full:
      • 3 years after leaving employment in Germany
      • 18 months after the Teams meeting tabled to break the impasse
      • After 115 emails, or more to/from all parties

      CONCLUSION
      My experience of paying for the costly services of this ‘international compliance specialist’ has left me in no uncertain terms that it operated little better than an open conduit for all communications both in and out without any useful input; I could have done much better myself. I should not have had to pay late penalties and charges for late submissions or delays which were not of my making.

      From the web site of CC:
      ‘Our in-house experts stay current with the latest in tax, employment and social security legislation so our clients and contractors can have faith in our compliant and efficient solutions.’

      I strongly disagree with the citation above and wish to take legal action to recover half the fees paid to the CC (Euro7560) - with my argument being that they were only half-decent, but actually nowhere near that! The service and expertise promised was out of all proportion to the service received. What would my likely success be and what should be my justification to make this claim? Is poor value a justifiable claim? [/QUOTE1. Did you enter into a contract with CC for their services?

      Thanks for your response. My answers area as follows:

      1. Did you enter into a contract with CC for their services? Yes. I have written and signed contracts for both the Insurance and schedule of charges and Contract for Services.
      2. If so, what is the legislation governing that contract i.e. is it under the jurisdiction of UK or Germany? I cannot see but there are references to some UK legislation.
      3. Is there any provision in the contract for resolving dispute? I have not located it.
      4. If so have you followed that and if not have you considered doing so?2. If so, what is the legislation governing that contract i.e. is it under the jurisdiction of UK or Germany?

      I have read through the agreements and the Insurance and Schedule of Charges does state that the CC's local accountant in Germany will attend to the tax and VAT matters at the end of the year. I should have noticed that before!

      I assume you are part of the Legal Beagle team. I am new to the forum. Would you prefer me to contact you via the email address provided?



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      • #4
        I am part of the volunteer community that advises on specifically employment matters. As I have set out this is not an employment law related matter is sounds more like a contractual matters.

        I am tagging atticus to see if they can provide any advice in respect of whether you have any legal arguments from a contractual standpoint but the main issue is where this lies in terms of jurisdiction.
        If you would like a one-to-one expert consultation with me on your employment issue than I can be contacted by emailing admin@legalbeaglesgroup.com

        I do not provide advice by PM although I may on occasion ask you to send me documents this way but any related advice will be provided back on your thread.

        I do my best to provide good practical advice, however I do so without liability.
        If you have any doubts then do please seek professional legal advice.


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        You are braver than you believe, smarter than you think and stronger than you seem.



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        • #5
          OK...

          First of all, I am not sure why it was necessary for the OP to repeat that long first post.

          Second: what is the governing law of the contract? I ask the OP to look again. This is often specified in a clause towards the end. Is the OP able to post the contract, suitably anonymised?

          That said, from what has been said, I am not optimistic as to the OP's chances. This is another illustration of the advantages of reading and understanding a contract before signing it.
          Lawyer (solicitor) - retired from practice, now supervising solicitor in a university law clinic. I do not advise by private message.

          Litigants in Person should download and read the Judiciary's handbook for litigants in person: https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/..._in_Person.pdf

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          • #6
            atticus I think it was because their answers to my questions from my post 2 were at the bottom, the workings of posting on a forum can be a bit of a mind field when you first start using them.
            If you would like a one-to-one expert consultation with me on your employment issue than I can be contacted by emailing admin@legalbeaglesgroup.com

            I do not provide advice by PM although I may on occasion ask you to send me documents this way but any related advice will be provided back on your thread.

            I do my best to provide good practical advice, however I do so without liability.
            If you have any doubts then do please seek professional legal advice.


            You can’t always stop the waves but you can learn to surf.

            You are braver than you believe, smarter than you think and stronger than you seem.



            If we have helped you we'd appreciate it if you can leave a review on our Trust Pilot page

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