Hi, I'm looking for some assistance on a letter of action claim my wife has received from a former self-employed sub-contractor (called Mrs A) for her dog walking business. I have no involvement in the business aside from helping with a few dog walks when I can. It's a bit of a long story, so I will put the main points in bullet points:
- Mrs A left my wife's company in early 2020 following a dispute where she had accused another member of staff of smacking dogs. She offered up no witnesses for this, did not produce a written statement, the claims were fully denied and we had no reason to disbelieve the accused. Mrs A eventually left off her own volition after a complaint was made against her by a customer.
- We since learned that shortly prior to the accusations being made, Mrs A had confided in the staff member in question that she had found a dog on the side of a road and intended to keep it, despite seeing a Facebook post from the owners who were looking for it. The dog belonged to a little girl. She told the staff member the name of the dog and that it was obvious from the 'crap Facebook post' that the owners weren't looking after it properly as they were 'gypsies'. My wife wasn't made aware of this conversation but was aware Mrs A had found the dog and assumed she had gone through all the necessary legal procedures as she had apparently worked for the RSPCA for a long time as a volunteer.
- Following Mrs A leaving, the staff member decided to investigate further and searched for the name of the dog on local Facebook groups in the area it was found. She found the Facebook post in question quite quickly and it was obvious that the dog was a much loved member of a family. She told us this information and we decided to initially contact the owners via Facebook to make some checks to ensure it was the same dog. We then contacted the Police with this information as we wanted to go through the correct channels. To confirm, the family in question are from the traveller community, however they live in a house and have as much rights to their dog back as anyone else. To be honest, we feel the Police didn't really take this seriously. One of the first questions the PC who called us to follow up the initial report, asked us why we didn't just tell the owners where the dog was. He also made some prejudicial remarks about Gypsy Travellers to the effect of 'You know they often just lave dogs on the side of the road when they move don't you?'. We followed this up with a call to get an update approx 2-3 weeks later, where we were told that the Police had spoken to Mrs A and weren't taking things further.
- I must make clear here, that there is absolutely no doubt that this is the dog the family are missing.
- I asked the Police call handler what our position was, as essentially the family of a missing dog know that we know the location of the dog, which put us in a difficult position. I asked if we were doing anything wrong or illegal by giving the name and address of Mrs A to the family in question. I was told we would not be doing anything wrong or illegal.
- On this basis, I decided to give the family the name and address of Mrs A. This was on April 30th 2020. Prior to giving him the name and address, he assured me that there would be no violence, threats or anything of that nature - he didn't want any trouble, he just wanted his daughters dog back. Approx two weeks later, the owner and his young daughter went to the property to ask for their dog back.
- We have now received a letter before action claim from Mrs A, stating that we have breached data protection / GDPR regulations, the human rights act and misuse of private information. She is claiming damages of £5k for this, £3.3k for PTSD due to the owner allegedly being very confrontational and making 'threats' against her (which according to the claim amount to him saying that 'he is a travelling lad' - there are no witness statements as of yet to back this up) and £4.2k for therapy for the treatment of this so-called PTSD. The claim is directed against my wife and her sole trader business, not me. We originally received another letter before action claim a couple of months earlier which was rebuffed by our solicitor, where they offered a settlement fee of £7k. In that letter, it states that the owner said it was me (not my wife) who gave him the details. So, Mrs A knows it was me, yet she is claiming against my wife. I had the address as she had given it to me to go to the Police initially. Now, she has had a psychologists report stating that she has PTSD from this incident, which is absolute bloody nonsense. Included in the new claim is a pro-forma invoice from a company (lets call them B&Q Medical Services Ltd - not real name), which includes £400 for the initial assessment, £2000 for 10 sessions of CBT therapy and £300 for a discharge report. Firstly, the cost of the CBT therapy is extortionate - average cost is about £50 a session. Secondly, we have investigated this company and found that the owner is the father of the solicitor in charge of the case! They have no history of providing medical services as far as we can see, the owner is not a registered therapist and the father and son jointly own another company called B&Q Properties Ltd! (again, not real name). Thirdly, the cost attributed to the CBT therapy in this pro-forma invoice is £2700, not £4200, so we feel that these costs are being fraudulently manufactured to take the total claim above the £10,000 small claims mark, meaning it would go into a higher level of court where we might be liable for their legal fees if we lost the case. We feel there is something definitely dodgy going on here. The solicitor in question was also reprimanded by a Solicitors Disciplinary Tribunal in 2018 for authorising over £200,000 worth of payments to an unlicensed claims management company.
- To confirm, as far as we are aware the dog owners have never been to the property since. Again, as far as we know, Mrs A still has the bloody dog!
The main questions I have are as follows:
- Can my wife be sued for the actions that I took in giving the name and address to the owners in regards to the alleged GDPR breach? She has never had any contact with them. She gave me to address to go the Police with, plus I had been to the property previously with my wife to drop some client house keys off so I knew the address anyway.
- Can my wife be sued for the alleged threats made by the owner of the dog (a third party) and the resulting so-called PTSD?
- Would there be a legitimate break of causation defence made in either of these actions?
- Would we be able to claim that we could not have reasonably foreseen the alleged acts / threats of the third party the fact that it was suggested to us by the Police to give the address directly to the owners and the owners confirming to us in writing there would be no threats, violence or anything of that nature, and that my wife should not be held responsible for these acts or the so-called resulting PTSD?
- Can the legitimacy and independence of this psychologists report be called into question given that it's being charged to us by a company which the solicitor obviously has both a family and financial interest?
- Can the legitimacy of the exorbitant claim costs being made be characterised as fraudulent and vexatious given the nature of the relationship between the company owner and the solicitor, especially given the fact it pushes the claim above £10,000 and above the small claims court? Can anything be done with regards to this?
- Have there any been any cases of a similar nature with precedent financial claims i.e. an amount paid for someone giving a person's name and address to a third party?
- Would it not be correct that if Mrs A wants to make a claim against anybody in this regard, it should be against myself for the data protection / misuse of private info side of things, and the dog owner for the alleged PTSD?
- If we went to court and the judge ruled in their favour but awarded substantially less costs, would we still be likely to have to pay their legal fees? Would this be the case if it was put through the small claims court?
Any assistance in this thread would be greatly appreciated. All I wanted to do was help reunite a lost dog with its owners and it's landed all of this on us!! Thanks in advance.
- Mrs A left my wife's company in early 2020 following a dispute where she had accused another member of staff of smacking dogs. She offered up no witnesses for this, did not produce a written statement, the claims were fully denied and we had no reason to disbelieve the accused. Mrs A eventually left off her own volition after a complaint was made against her by a customer.
- We since learned that shortly prior to the accusations being made, Mrs A had confided in the staff member in question that she had found a dog on the side of a road and intended to keep it, despite seeing a Facebook post from the owners who were looking for it. The dog belonged to a little girl. She told the staff member the name of the dog and that it was obvious from the 'crap Facebook post' that the owners weren't looking after it properly as they were 'gypsies'. My wife wasn't made aware of this conversation but was aware Mrs A had found the dog and assumed she had gone through all the necessary legal procedures as she had apparently worked for the RSPCA for a long time as a volunteer.
- Following Mrs A leaving, the staff member decided to investigate further and searched for the name of the dog on local Facebook groups in the area it was found. She found the Facebook post in question quite quickly and it was obvious that the dog was a much loved member of a family. She told us this information and we decided to initially contact the owners via Facebook to make some checks to ensure it was the same dog. We then contacted the Police with this information as we wanted to go through the correct channels. To confirm, the family in question are from the traveller community, however they live in a house and have as much rights to their dog back as anyone else. To be honest, we feel the Police didn't really take this seriously. One of the first questions the PC who called us to follow up the initial report, asked us why we didn't just tell the owners where the dog was. He also made some prejudicial remarks about Gypsy Travellers to the effect of 'You know they often just lave dogs on the side of the road when they move don't you?'. We followed this up with a call to get an update approx 2-3 weeks later, where we were told that the Police had spoken to Mrs A and weren't taking things further.
- I must make clear here, that there is absolutely no doubt that this is the dog the family are missing.
- I asked the Police call handler what our position was, as essentially the family of a missing dog know that we know the location of the dog, which put us in a difficult position. I asked if we were doing anything wrong or illegal by giving the name and address of Mrs A to the family in question. I was told we would not be doing anything wrong or illegal.
- On this basis, I decided to give the family the name and address of Mrs A. This was on April 30th 2020. Prior to giving him the name and address, he assured me that there would be no violence, threats or anything of that nature - he didn't want any trouble, he just wanted his daughters dog back. Approx two weeks later, the owner and his young daughter went to the property to ask for their dog back.
- We have now received a letter before action claim from Mrs A, stating that we have breached data protection / GDPR regulations, the human rights act and misuse of private information. She is claiming damages of £5k for this, £3.3k for PTSD due to the owner allegedly being very confrontational and making 'threats' against her (which according to the claim amount to him saying that 'he is a travelling lad' - there are no witness statements as of yet to back this up) and £4.2k for therapy for the treatment of this so-called PTSD. The claim is directed against my wife and her sole trader business, not me. We originally received another letter before action claim a couple of months earlier which was rebuffed by our solicitor, where they offered a settlement fee of £7k. In that letter, it states that the owner said it was me (not my wife) who gave him the details. So, Mrs A knows it was me, yet she is claiming against my wife. I had the address as she had given it to me to go to the Police initially. Now, she has had a psychologists report stating that she has PTSD from this incident, which is absolute bloody nonsense. Included in the new claim is a pro-forma invoice from a company (lets call them B&Q Medical Services Ltd - not real name), which includes £400 for the initial assessment, £2000 for 10 sessions of CBT therapy and £300 for a discharge report. Firstly, the cost of the CBT therapy is extortionate - average cost is about £50 a session. Secondly, we have investigated this company and found that the owner is the father of the solicitor in charge of the case! They have no history of providing medical services as far as we can see, the owner is not a registered therapist and the father and son jointly own another company called B&Q Properties Ltd! (again, not real name). Thirdly, the cost attributed to the CBT therapy in this pro-forma invoice is £2700, not £4200, so we feel that these costs are being fraudulently manufactured to take the total claim above the £10,000 small claims mark, meaning it would go into a higher level of court where we might be liable for their legal fees if we lost the case. We feel there is something definitely dodgy going on here. The solicitor in question was also reprimanded by a Solicitors Disciplinary Tribunal in 2018 for authorising over £200,000 worth of payments to an unlicensed claims management company.
- To confirm, as far as we are aware the dog owners have never been to the property since. Again, as far as we know, Mrs A still has the bloody dog!
The main questions I have are as follows:
- Can my wife be sued for the actions that I took in giving the name and address to the owners in regards to the alleged GDPR breach? She has never had any contact with them. She gave me to address to go the Police with, plus I had been to the property previously with my wife to drop some client house keys off so I knew the address anyway.
- Can my wife be sued for the alleged threats made by the owner of the dog (a third party) and the resulting so-called PTSD?
- Would there be a legitimate break of causation defence made in either of these actions?
- Would we be able to claim that we could not have reasonably foreseen the alleged acts / threats of the third party the fact that it was suggested to us by the Police to give the address directly to the owners and the owners confirming to us in writing there would be no threats, violence or anything of that nature, and that my wife should not be held responsible for these acts or the so-called resulting PTSD?
- Can the legitimacy and independence of this psychologists report be called into question given that it's being charged to us by a company which the solicitor obviously has both a family and financial interest?
- Can the legitimacy of the exorbitant claim costs being made be characterised as fraudulent and vexatious given the nature of the relationship between the company owner and the solicitor, especially given the fact it pushes the claim above £10,000 and above the small claims court? Can anything be done with regards to this?
- Have there any been any cases of a similar nature with precedent financial claims i.e. an amount paid for someone giving a person's name and address to a third party?
- Would it not be correct that if Mrs A wants to make a claim against anybody in this regard, it should be against myself for the data protection / misuse of private info side of things, and the dog owner for the alleged PTSD?
- If we went to court and the judge ruled in their favour but awarded substantially less costs, would we still be likely to have to pay their legal fees? Would this be the case if it was put through the small claims court?
Any assistance in this thread would be greatly appreciated. All I wanted to do was help reunite a lost dog with its owners and it's landed all of this on us!! Thanks in advance.
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